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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Why do you say this? What is your credible evidence that there is a legal need to fire him?
I didn't say there was a legal need. I put "need" in quotes just to parrot the language of an earlier poster who was saying what "needed" to happen as a way, I suppose, of saying what that poser would simply like to see.
Mueller's been there for about a year now, it's just time to wrap it up one way or another. I don't believe there's any precedent to having something like a permanent special counsel who has the job of investigating whatever he feels like for the term of a presidency. (I suppose with Ken Starr and Slick Willie it was sorta similar, but remember he actually caught Clinton himself, not just hanger-ons.)
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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If there were any credible evidence of "collusion,"
Well given that "collision" is not a legal term but everyone knows what we're talking about: Kushner and others met with Russian operatives who offered dirt on Clinton. That's not proof but it's certainly credible evidence, that demands an investigation. If you can't admit that you are fooling yourself.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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We all wish Mueller would wrap it up soon
and throw Trump and his mob family in prison
I don't know how longer this country can take the disgrace of him and his corruption
Then we just got to get rid of the rest of the Republicans colluding with Russia, colluding with the mob, and colluding with the Koch Brothers billions and then we can become a decent country once again.
They are nothing more than Transaction Party of money for policy.
Money Trumps all consideration of ethics and morality
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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And Trump wouldn't have an audience for his lies if this latest phase of the industrial revolution wasn't tearing up the manufacturing base in the heartland of middle America, making a lot of workers obsolete or redundant.
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dirtbag
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I haven’t made up my mind on trump’s involvement in any collusion with Russians. I haven’t seen any evidence of it, although his underlings are up to their armpits in unsavory Russian associations. The truth is, we simply don’t know what evidence mueller has, and investigations like this take a lot of time. With that said, mueller does have quite a bit of evidence of obstruction, which largely undid Nixon. And trump has always acted in a very suspicious manner, which begs the question as to why trump is constantly lying and trying to get investigators to drop the matter.
I do not understand the impulse to can mueller soon except to cover trump’s big orange butt.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Using stolen e-mails from the DNC in your campaign is a crime
"I Love WikiLeaks"
DT
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Using stolen e-mails from the DNC in your campaign is a crime
"I Love WikiLeaks"
DT
Nonsense, not unless there was some sort of involvement with an underlying crime, which would be an entirely different matter (at least that is my patent lawyer's view--admittedly this is not my forte as a legal practitioner!).
Here's an example to illustrate the point: let's say someone steals the secret formula for Coke, a valuable trade secret, and publishes it on the Internet in a way that is impossible to immediately eradicate. That person would be liable civilly and perhaps criminally, depending on the details.
But once the formula is out, it's out: you can make a knock off product using the formula. That's essentially all Trump did--use information that entered the public domain, even if that entry may have been the result of crime (in which Trump had no involvement).
When they look at dying in prison they then flip and agree to tell you everything they know.
Ahh, got it, thanks for the lesson. Just make sure you don't ask them questions, while they're flipping, unless you know the answers, right? :)
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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George Papadopoulos
Mr. Papadopoulos, a former foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 to lying to the F.B.I.
Michael T. Flynn
Mr. Flynn, President Trump’s first national security adviser, pleaded guilty in early December to lying to the F.B.I. about conversations he had in 2016 with the Russian ambassador to the United States at the time, Sergey I. Kislyak. P
Richard Pinedo
Richard Pinedo, a Southern California computer science major, pleaded guilty in February to identity fraud after he created and sold fake bank accounts from 2014 through the end of 2017. While his indictment supported the charges Mr. Mueller brought against 13 Russian nationals for election meddling
Alex van der Zwaan
The son-in-law of a Russian billionaire and a lawyer who worked with the former Trump campaign aides Rick Gates and Paul Manafort, Mr. van der Zwaan pleaded guilty on Tuesday to lying to prosecutors
Rick Gates
Rick Gates, the former deputy chairman for Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, pleaded guilty on Friday to a pair of charges, conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators.
Paul Manafort
Mr. Manafort faces dozens of counts of money laundering and bank fraud
Others Charged
Thirteen Russians: Yevgeny Prigozhin, Mikhail Bystrov, Mikhail Burchik, Aleksandra Krylova, Anna Bogacheva, Sergey Polozov, Maria Bovda, Robert Bovda, Dzheykhun Ogly, Vadim Podkopaev, Gleb Vasilchenko, Irina Kaverzina and Vladimir Venkov.
Three companies: Internet Research Agency, Concord Management, Concord Catering
In a sprawling 37-page indictment, Mr. Mueller charged the 13 Russians with conspiracy to defraud the United States, and connected them with a four-year effort to undermine and influence the 2016 presidential election. The Russians — and the three companies that facilitated and funded their work — are accused of using social media, the identities of American citizens and politically charged topics to manipulate an already divisive campaign.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Prosecutors never ask questions when they don't know the answers...
exactly. So they'll get him on collusion, obstruction, money laundering, and then toss in perjury after he lies through the entire interview.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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What’s The Longest Straight Path On Earth You Can Take Without Hitting Land
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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What’s The Longest Straight Path On Earth You Can Take Without Hitting Land
Hard to believe until you get something like Google Earth that allows you to see great circle routes, but the longest one I know is from somewhere around Seattle, heading west. Get it just right, and you wind up approaching the South Carolina coast from the east after having spent the entire flight over water.
It does take you over the archipelagos of Indonesia, so you can quibble and say that it passes over some tiny islands, but otherwise you're over water the whole time.
Edit: Wait. What does this have to do with this politard nonsense thread?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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*Dr. Harold Bornstein says Trump himself wrote 2015 letter claiming he was healthiest candidate ever
Trump's personal doctor said he's also opening up about that infamous letter he released, during the campaign, the one touting Donald Trump as the very specimen of outstanding health, with "physical strength and stamina" that were "extraordinary."
He says Trump wrote it.
"He dictated that whole letter. I didn't write that letter," Bornstein told CNN on Tuesday. "I just made it up as I went along." [...]
He said Trump read out the language as Bornstein and his wife were driving across Central Park.
"(Trump) dictated the letter and I would tell him what he couldn't put in there," he said. "They came to pick up their letter at 4 o'clock or something."
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Donald Trump's Nobel Peace Prize Speach
*On my way to the Nobel Prize, I knocked the hell out of the Islamic State, sent nice, new, smart missiles into Syria and dropped the Mother of All Bombs on Afghanistan. But those are only a tiny, tiny fraction of the countries I could have bombed.
I did not bomb Mexico even though they’re murderers and rapists. I did not bomb Canada, even though they are disgraceful about trade. I didn’t bomb Pakistan, even though they have given us nothing but lies and deceit. I didn’t bomb China, even though they are raping our country. And I have strongly supported the leaders of Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines and Russia, as they promote peace by silencing noisy dissidents.
*Your Majesties and Highnesses, people who worked for me once said “do not congratulate!” — but I fired most of them. So come on, get up and applaud. You are so lucky that I gave you that privilege.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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What this has to do with politico is that sometimes you need to take a day off and reset your bearings
True.
And an interesting path.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Will the secret service allow Melania to keep the presidential soap and towels when she and the stable dictator get sentenced for the fake collusion , money laundering , and perjury...?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Trump owns you crazy people. He lives in your head.... forever!
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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I can't wait to see the hillbillies of America cry over not seen America as great again
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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@Norton - Donald Trump's Nobel Peace Prize Speach
Obama's. "Speech."
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Trump's speach is going to be live from stormy's bunker...
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