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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 17, 2018 - 09:46am PT

Now, being part Norski I’m down with most of how they roll but this ‘whaling tradition’ thang
definitely rubs me the wrong way. They love to come it the peace loving eco-minded lot but
they’ve been ‘taking’ (a nice conscience saving euphemism) 999 whales/year for yonks.
Now they’ve announced they’re upping their ‘quota’ by 28%, or 279 whales. Kinda twisted
reasoning to give Anders Breivik, the murderer of 77 people, a swank suite with cable and
then go out and off 1278 free sentient beings cause they taste gud.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/07/norway-boosts-whaling-quota-international-opposition
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 17, 2018 - 10:28am PT

We are, Reilly, we are... it's traditional...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 17, 2018 - 10:34am PT
Reilly...Don't be such a snow flake...
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Mar 17, 2018 - 10:42am PT
Now, being part Norski I’m down with most of how they roll but this ‘whaling tradition’ thang definitely rubs me the wrong way

I agree. Coming from a purebred:)

Arne
Rexi

climber
Mar 17, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
I don´t feel very strong on the topic. -but the discussion is always interesting. Main arguments i´ve heard are.

1) the killing is messy, painful and so on.

counter argument: well If you dont eat meat the argument is solid. but If you do eat meat it gets a little more blurry. Specially if you eat wild animals, birds, reindeer and so on. Hunting in the wild is always more messy and painful then when slaughtered in a slaughter house. -but if you had to choose one life to live, the cow who gets sloughtered after it´s constricted life or the wild bird, fish or whale?

2) there are too few whales so they shouldn´t be killed.
counter argument: well the ones doing the fishing argue that there are far from being too few in the sea. I haven´t really gotten into the numbers, but for me this is the strongest argument not the one number 1.

I´m from Iceland, we are highly criticised for our whaling, in 2015 (didn´t find more recent data on first look) we killed 29 whales. I don´t really see the need for the whaling, the meat is delicious but i think i´ve only had it about twice so i wouldn´t say it´s a big part of my diet. The same year the US killed 48 whales and norway killed more then 600. Faroe Islands get one of the harshes criticism i think, and looking it up i see that Denmark killed over 139 animals and since both greenland and the faroe islands are ruled by denmark those numbers really are split between those two countries.

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 17, 2018 - 05:48pm PT
In '78 I represented a consortium of 23 environmental groups during private meetings with the Norwegian ministers of Foreign Affairs and Fisheries on this very topic and it's actually quite complicated from the perspective of both science and politics.

First off the science which indicated no significant impact of their coastal whaling on the overall population numbers of Minke whales - i.e. hard to bring science to bear within a political context.

Second, and more difficult, is the economic constraints. Norway, Sweden, and Finland all share a common problem of how to keep young people in the norths of their countries from abandoning the north for better employment opportunities in Oslo, Stockholm, and Helsinki. Up north in Norway economic viability is anchored by the combination of fishing, whaling, timber, farming, and Cariboo. Knock out whaling and you kick one leg out from under them and, post-Chernobyl, Cariboo has been kicked out from under them leaving fishing, timber, and agriculture - not a great situation.

While I find all whaling abhorrent, cogent arguments against and alternatives to Norwegian coastal whaling are difficult to come by at best. That said, upping their take is inexcusable.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2018 - 06:24pm PT
I get all that, but whales are smarter than most people.

Here’s my solution: increase territorial waters to 300 or 400 miles and tell the Chinese fishing
fleets to pound dirt. Then Norway will have a lot more fish to catch.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Mar 17, 2018 - 07:03pm PT
Nuke the whales and fling their radioactive bodies into Mono Lake.




















Just kidding, Reilly. I'm actually agreed. NO point to whaling in this era of history.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2018 - 08:11pm PT
Did I mention the Norwegian gubmint is gonna start offing Golden Eagles to protect sheep?
Seriously?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Mar 18, 2018 - 02:40pm PT
Trump likes Norwegians. Bet they'll serve it at a White House dinner.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 18, 2018 - 02:46pm PT

Hval or Kval - Norwegians quarrel during dinner...

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2018 - 02:53pm PT
Uff da! Those guys were getting pretty worked opp, for Norwegians. 😝🙀
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 18, 2018 - 02:54pm PT

One from "Bergen" and one from Lofoten... Nothing more to say...
yanqui

climber
Balcarce, Argentina
Mar 18, 2018 - 04:09pm PT
From wiki:

"Recently, the Norwegian whaling industry has met increasing difficulties because of falling demand and weak recruitment. Norwegian anti-whaling groups seem to prefer to hold a low profile and watch over the slow death of the industry, instead of raising their voice and polarising the debate."
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 19, 2018 - 09:26am PT
Marlow, was that Sylvi Listhaug in that video?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 19, 2018 - 12:06pm PT
Why worry. If the mercury from the old sunk German U-boat doesn't get 'em the radiation from the Soviet subs that litter the ocean floor around there will.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 19, 2018 - 12:19pm PT

Haha... Listhaug... Think Trump as Minister of Justice and you get the picture...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 19, 2018 - 12:34pm PT
Jeg tror hun har større hender.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 19, 2018 - 12:42pm PT

You could be right about that:


But don't be fooled by that. If I remember right, one of Heidegger's famous/infamous remarks was that he knew he could trust a man with such hands as ...

You know...

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2018 - 12:14pm PT
Reuters:

Norway plans to buy electric planes, mimicking green car success


By Alister Doyle | OSLO
Norway said on Thursday it wants to buy electric passenger planes in the coming years to help slow climate change, building on its success with big tax breaks that have made it the world leader in electric car sales.
State firm Avinor, which runs 45 airports in Norway, said the commitment to battery-powered aircraft could encourage development of electric and hybrid technologies by companies such as Airbus or Boeing.
"In my mind, there's no doubt that by 2040 Norway will be operating totally electric" on short-haul flights, Dag Falk-Pedersen, head of Avinor, told reporters at an aviation conference in Oslo.
Among airlines, "Airbus told us they need a customer and they need a market - and we can offer them both," he said. "Of course they need a bigger market and more customers. But someone has to start."
Norway, a mountainous country of 5 million people with towns beside remote fjords, would be ideal for electric planes which can accelerate faster than conventional planes and so need shorter runways, he said.
But electric planes so far have big problems of weight, with bulky batteries, and limited ranges. The first electric planes flew across the English Channel in July 2015, including an Airbus E-Fan.
"It could be that we are presenting a tender within a year or two to the market to commercialize electric aircraft," Falk-Pedersen said, adding that such a tender might be for 5 to 15 planes of between 12 and 50 seats.
Norway's Transport Minister Ketil Solvik-Olsen said Oslo would try to repeat its success in promoting electric cars, backed by tax breaks and other perks such as free parking and recharging points.
Last year, more than half of new cars sold in Norway were electric or hybrid, the highest rate in the world. But he admitted "when we talk about battery driven planes there's no doubt that most people are a bit skeptical".
Norway's centre-right government, in a political platform worked out in January, told Avinor to work to shift to electric planes in commercial transport and promote use of biofuels.
Norway, western Europe's biggest oil and gas producer, has struggled to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions which were three percent above 1990 levels in 2016.
In November, Airbus, Rolls-Royce, and Siemens teamed up to develop a hybrid electric engine.
And in October, a Seattle-area start-up, backed by the venture capital arms of Boeing and JetBlue Airways Corp also announced plans to bring a hybrid-electric aircraft, with up to 12 passengers, to market by 2022.
(Reporting by Alister Doyle; Editing by Alison Williams)
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