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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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We don't have a healthcare system. We have an insurance industry pretending to be a healthcare system.
No, it's a mafia pretending to be an insurance industry pretending to be a healthcare system.
My son cut his thumb at City of Rocks, preparing a stick to roast a weenie, and we went to the hospital in Burley. The bill was $600 or so, for several stitches. Did see several owls on the drive, though.
By the way, we got reimbursed for the expenses by the Spanish socialist health care system.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, barbarian... nice to see you...
happy good eve...
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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$250 for one leg
$400 and I do both for you
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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I use Western Union to send money to Nepal. Surely it would work in Italy too?
You could calculate the exchange rate between dollars and euros, add a percentage and send a cashier's check with a note saying you'll make up the difference when they tell you what it was.
Banks, and train stations can exchange money there.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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When you wire money at a bank can you include a message with pertinent details?
Yes. No need to go to a bank as well, most allow it online.
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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My Wife cracked her ankle pretty good BASE jumping off the coast of Greece. A mainland Greece hospital visit, 3 x-ray's and a splint w/crutches was 22euros..
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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I suppose that countries that don't pay much if anything for defense (relying on the US instead) can afford to subsidize health care more than we can.
Sounds like a great deal (for them). Hopefully Trump can fix this in some small part at least and get our health care costs down a bit.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, del cross... thanks for the update...
hope to hear that get some success...
:)
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Jorroh
climber
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"I suppose that countries that don't pay much if anything for defense (relying on the US instead) can afford to subsidize health care more than we can."
No, they have constructed functioning health care systems whose per capita cost is a fraction of the cost of our marginally functional health care system.
Blah, Blah, Blah....always wrong...about everything...all the time.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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^ ^ ^
Foreign countries may be a little more economical when patching you up when you sprain your ankle or whatever, but if anything weird happens you'll be happy to be in the good ol' U S of A.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/01/26/canadian-couple-forced-to-travel-to-u-s-to-treat-parasitic-worms_a_23344710/
Canadian Couple Forced To Travel To U.S. To Treat Parasitic Worms
Anyway, so what if our health care system is a little more expensive? We get better care, and the money goes to doctors, nurses, office workers who handle the claims, etc. Just think of it as a little Keynesian economics, remember that unemployment is the great scourge of modern societies, and you'll see our way, while a little weird, actually works pretty well.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Mar 10, 2018 - 02:45am PT
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I think that the quality of care is certainly not better in the U.S. than in Italy, Spain, etc, supposing you're in a situation to actually receive care in the U.S., instead of dying under a bridge. If they see that you're covered, then you're likely to get unnecessary tests and operations, all of which run up the bill, but which actually increase your risk of dying or getting post-operative infections, etc. Now, there may be places where quality of care is an issue, but Western Europe is not one of them.
The U.S. system is broken very badly. But taking on the health care mafia is like taking on the NRA: good luck with that!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 10, 2018 - 04:18am PT
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I suppose that countries that don't pay much if anything for defense (relying on the US instead) can afford to subsidize health care more than we can.
Ensuring American families are healthy, educated, and not one medical event from financial ruin should be considered a front-line form of defense of the realm - putting any other form of defense, including the military, is a case of some seriously f*#ked up national priorities.
P.S. Ivermectin is more a tropical and veterinary medicine so it's not particularly surprising that it's not licensed for sale in Canada's healthcare system for human use even if it should be available for travelers returning from tropical locales. Still, it's an edge case hardly indicative of any serious problem with Canada's healthcare system and it doesn't say anything significant about ours either.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 10, 2018 - 07:59am PT
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Although I don't want to move to Italy it appears that overall they have a superior health care system there.
Cheaper doesn’t equate to better ‘care’. As with Canada and Britain I aver that you will have
a long wait for anything non-emergent. And you have seen how inefficient things are in Italy.
I love it there but the inefficiencies drive me crazy.
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JimT
climber
Munich
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Mar 10, 2018 - 09:17am PT
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I´m not sure anyone said cheaper means better care, the comment was that overall they have a better health care system.
I´ve lived in a fair few countries and undoubtedly for the rich the USA has one of the best care available but for the poor you are down in the third world level. The typical European model gives far better general health care for ALL, irrespective of income and good to excellent for those willing to pay more. The main difference to the US system being those who can afford private health care still have to support the general health care system, in the UK you can be privately insured BUT you cannot opt out of contributing to the National Health Service. I am privately insured in Germany which means I receive treatment comparable to the top-tier in the USA (in fact my health insurance policy allows me any treatment in any country in the world) but I still have to contribute to the health care for the unemployed, homeless and other disadvantaged groups and this is the way universal health care should work in a civilised country.
The only advantages for me being privately insured are I get treated by a doctor higher in the ranks, I can have a single room and get treated sooner for non-urgent stuff, the food is the same, the guy who cuts me open is the same and the nurses are just as attractive.
My wife is a doctor by the way, her public and private patients are all the same when it comes to treatment, just the private ones you can "sell" optional extras to!
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