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Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 12, 2018 - 10:01pm PT
Not really- that's another snap shot in my opinion. Perhaps one's self described (or claimed) genisis of awareness has no bearing on the actual amplitude. What's the penalty for being wrong here? Is my journey over at 51?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Feb 13, 2018 - 09:26am PT
Not really- that's another snap shot in my opinion.


Then what ARE you saying, contractor? Lest one be specific, you leave people guessing about what you are trying to say. At least they are taking you seriously. Snarky comments about self-claimed genius of awareness feel like trolling to me, but I'll certainly sit corrected if you clarify your position.

If you want to see how awareness effects brain and body, get an outdoor thermometer for 15 bucks, tape the sensor to your finger and try and raise the temp in your finger - a standard biofeedback drill. Pay no attention to the exercise and just mind wander. Then pay attention (without trying to DO anything) and see what happens.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 13, 2018 - 11:29am PT
Oh, not snarky at all- you read genius and I actually wrote Genesis- big difference in context from my end.

I typically don't make declarative or disparaging statements about someone's spirituality or lack thereof- unlike the OP.

I personally would assume that many people, like myself, that rely on physicalism are open to alternate dimensions of existence, however; we may not be inclined to seek it by nature. That's not to deny that the connection may not occur at some point in time.

I certainly don't join in on these discussions to disprove anyone's belief's.

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 13, 2018 - 11:42am PT
BTW- claimed Genesis would equally refer to me and my belief's.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Feb 13, 2018 - 05:09pm PT
Sorry, Contractor. My old friend and mentor, Jim Bridwell, is on life support and dying (basically dead already) and IT'S ME who is feeling snarky. Didn't think it would work me so hard.

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Feb 13, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
These are the times that leave me trusting in transcendence. Peace be with him and you.
zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 13, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
Atom this eve?

A single strontium atom with what level of consciousness?



https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EFNrnAww--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/hyejinr2kjmfu74vfqrz.png

It can be read about here:

https://www.techly.com.au/2018/02/13/stunning-photo-single-atom-wins-prestigious-science-photography-contest/

Just as there are 50 some words for snow among Eskimos (how do they talk about that to a guy who lives in the desert?), how many words are there for atom among physicists?





Meanwhile back at the lab.

While reports of EEG correlates of psychiatric disorders date back five decades, clinical sensitivity of the EEG to psychiatric disorders has been greatly enhanced with the advent of quantitative methods of analysis (QEEG). Using a QEEG methodology known as neurometrics we have identified distinctive electrophysiological profiles associated with different psychiatric disorders. With this method quantitative features are extracted from 2 minutes of artifact- free eyes closed resting EEG data, log transformed to obtain Gaussianity, age-regressed, and Z-transformed relative to population norms. Using small subsets of neurometric features, multiple stepwise discriminant analyses were used to construct mathematical classifier functions, the values of which are different for members of different a priori defined diagnostic groups. Using this approach, we have demonstrated high discriminant accuracy in independent replications separating many populations of psychiatric patients from normal as well as from each other, including major affective disorder, schizophrenia, dementia, alcoholism, and learning disabilities, as well as high accuracy of discrimination between known subtypes of depression (unipolar vs bipolar). The use of classification accuracy curves (CACs) which allow one to assess the sensitivity and specificity achieved by the discriminant functions is discussed. In addition, using cluster analysis, neurometric subtypes can be identified in several clinically homogenous populations. Preliminary results suggest that baseline membership in some neurometric subtypes may be highly correlated with response to treatment

Caveat

That very same discrimination analysis is able to derive a discriminant function on the criterion classes Male and Female based upon driver's license numbers data.

Caveat 2

Preliminary results often remain just that

What in the heck is Mind, preliminarily.

TomCochrane

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2018 - 10:58pm PT
Reality is all about vibration and frequency, as pointed out by Nicola Tesla with implications and techniques long kept secret.

(Einstein was supported and promoted by the Rothschilds to obscure some of the core issues from the general scientific community.)


Light behaves as waves in 'empty' space, until bent by magnetic fields.

When the light waves are bent by magnetic fields, the interference between the bent light waves produces interference fringes between the conflicting wave patterns.

So that the nodes between interfering wave forms become what we understand to be particles of physical matter.

It seems what we perceive as the physical universe is constructed of frozen light ... analogous to a hologram.


Our minds can not directly perceive the physical universe, but depend upon our senses.

And our senses are not nearly good enough to build the internal visual world that we perceive as reality (i.e. The Matrix).

Our senses transfer electromagnetic signals along nerve bundles into our brain. These EM signals are transformed within the brain to guide the creation of our holographic world of thought that we relate to as reality.

Thus a complex pattern of light waves are conveyed electro-magnetically into our brains by our senses and translated into holographic realities within our minds. We relate to these holograms as if they are real ... which they are to us.


However there is no solid physical reality out there. There is light and magnetism and our perception of it as hologram patterns.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 15, 2018 - 06:29am PT
Thanks Tom,

your posts remind me HOW GRATEFUL I AM! to have both a general education and a physics, electrical engineering, and neuroscience education; otherwise I couldn't keep up!

Mind your nodes and frequencies. Damn those Rothchilds too! :)


...

Dang it, Dingus, I went for the coffee and you beat me to the post!!!


lol
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Feb 15, 2018 - 06:31am PT
The vibrations and frequencies (with long kept secrets by the Rothchilds) cause other vibrations and frequencies.

Reality is all about vibration and frequency, as pointed out by Nicola Tesla with implications and techniques long kept secret.

(Einstein was supported and promoted by the Rothschilds to obscure some of the core issues from the general scientific community.)

You claim this is reality. But then you assert

Our minds can not directly perceive the physical universe, but depend upon our senses.

And our senses are not nearly good enough to build the internal visual world that we perceive as reality (i.e. The Matrix).

Our senses transfer electromagnetic signals along nerve bundles into our brain. These EM signals are transformed within the brain to guide the creation of our holographic world of thought that we relate to as reality.

Thus a complex pattern of light waves are conveyed electro-magnetically into our brains by our senses and translated into holographic realities within our minds. We relate to these holograms as if they are real ... which they are to us.

Electromagnetic signals, you assert, are transmitted from our senses to our brain where they are used to induce holograms as if they are real.

My dear scientist, if the universe is as you say, vibrations and frequencies then how can anything within this universe also not be vibrations and frequences? I know for a fact, for example, "electromagnetic signals" are vibrations and frequencies.

Frankly what you wrote above is self-contradictory and poorly constructed, like some sort of fantasy hologram.

Now about these secret vibrations and frequencies, hidden by the Rothschilds, how is it you are aware of them? And while you're at it, how about you list out a few of these secret frequencies?

It seems to me, in a universe awash in vibrations and frequencies, our hard sciences are dedicated to their study. So if you could just point out these missing vibrations and frequencies, the one's you just claimed were hidden by the Rothschilds, then our sciences could take them into consideration as well, and study them.

How about it?

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Feb 15, 2018 - 06:39am PT
Don't get me wrong here Tom Cochrane, I dig the whole vibrations and frequencies riff. I get it that energy and matter are part of the same whole. I'm with you there. But so too are millions of others.

I also get that more simple frequencies can be beat together to get more complex pattern; our music is a perfect example. And that other, long wave frequencies are at play with the seasons, and in how life permeates, and the boom and bust cycles of populations, gold towns and stock market prices.

All vibrations and frequencies. I find it fascinating. So I am your eager student here
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 15, 2018 - 06:47am PT
Yeah. It's only the basis of radio, eg, or light and vision, or hearing, or quantum mechanics. Or physical chemistry. Or... That's all.

But I suspect this link between Einstein and the Rothchilds has long ago been destroyed?
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Feb 15, 2018 - 06:52am PT
Well I hope that Tom's secret frequencies have a little more meat on the bone than say, Werner's Wang Chung, apparently used to travel the universe is ages gone by. Maybe Tom has got the beef here. I'm listening....

DMT
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Feb 15, 2018 - 08:31am PT
Secret frequencies, holograms, light waves, little green men ... you're still arguing over WHAT we perceive, are still one step away from perception itself, which does not necessarily hinge on our sense organs.

For example, get a pair of those noise canceling headphones that people use on construction sites, which make it so you hear nothing at all. Put those on. Lay down and pull a thin blanket over yourself. Put a dark cloth over your eyes. To a large extent, almost entirely, you have eliminated most all of your physical sense data, especially once you have relaxed for a bit and remain still. Now, settle into simply experiencing what is transpiring and being as alert as possible. At some point the duality between he who observes and just observing will melt away, and so does the distance, duality between you and it. So does the duality between awareness and what you are aware of. And so dies the illusion that "you only think you are perceiving" in whatever manner you are because thinking has already become background phenomenon. This is not "intuitive" exploration because you are not focused on some thing or phenomenon "out there" which you can be wrong about.

Then you stop and start working up rational models, not from bits and pieces, but rather from the whole mo fo.
WBraun

climber
Feb 15, 2018 - 08:37am PT
you're still arguing over WHAT we perceive, are still one step away from perception itself

They CAN"T do that.

They ARE soooo brainwashed with their boxed up limited selves in their tiny little limited sterile world.

If Pinker or Sam Harris says they will come running like monkeys and eat those bananas like they are god himself ......
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 15, 2018 - 08:43am PT
Or just use isolation tanks and do repeated 6-12 hour sessions in them to cut straight to the heart of the matter. However, what 'rational models' and general mo fo you then come away from the experience with is clearly quite subjective.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 15, 2018 - 09:58am PT
All vibrations and frequencies. I find it fascinating.

Me too, and I would elaborate on it, in private. The KGB, being more open minded than their
crankloon American counterparts, did lots of research into this ‘stuff’.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Feb 15, 2018 - 10:27am PT
Or just use isolation tanks and do repeated 6-12 hour sessions in them to cut straight to the heart of the matter. However, what 'rational models' and general mo fo you then come away from the experience with is clearly quite subjective.



I warned about conflating. The two most common ones are conflating content with awareness, and subjective with objective.

For example, you have a subjective experience of sitting quietly and simply observing your experience without trying to define or describe or quantify it in any way. This is the exploration phase. It is the existential equal of "listening" to reality as opposed to yet defining it.

Later, when you start rationally interpreting your experience, you are building a cognitive and logical map to same. We can clearly see that the process of building said map, and the subjective territory that it seeks to explain, are not selfsame. That is, the map (interpretation) itself is an attempt to objectify subjectivity, and is not, itself, subjective.

In perceptual or mind terms, the former (exploration) is best carried out with a wide focus (note that in wide or panorama focus, you can't interpret). Then later, we narrow focus and our rational minds kick in.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 15, 2018 - 10:32am PT
Crikey, you really are an arrogant sob. There's no 'conflating' going on and you've whipped the poor content and map horses to bone powder. That and your commentary on 'proper' methods and what can and cannot be done now borders on just another mindlessly arrogant rant of [subjective] opinion.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Feb 15, 2018 - 10:59am PT
The Zionist secret society angle adds a wonderful insight into what is “on” your mind, Tom.
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