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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2019 - 03:26pm PT
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From what I have heard ,Vermont’s legislature is working on a way to tax and regulate businesses. They are set to do that this spring.
Then you will get significant revenue that they will have to decide how to use.
New York wants to use the same strategy.
Letting citizens have the opportunity before corporate interests is going to create business opportunities for the common man.
Even folks like me that have been in this business since college.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 10, 2019 - 04:41pm PT
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Long overdue, there's no need to lock up honest folks for personal choices. It's bullshit on a high level. Congrats Wilbeer and the rest of you "Yankees". Now to work on all the confederates and everyone else who hasn't figured it out so they can be free as well.
Next thing to work on it the seizure (AKA "theft") by (dishonest) cops of cash that honest folks may be carrying.
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Bale
Mountain climber
UT
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Jan 10, 2019 - 05:00pm PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 10, 2019 - 05:36pm PT
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Yeah, smoking weed gives me anxiety,........ when I look in the rear view and see the popo.
We're not out of the woods yet. The elf on the shelf Sessions is not inclined to implement Obama policy.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 11, 2019 - 02:53am PT
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regardless of what state law says the feds can still take your guns if they wanted to press the issue...
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 11, 2019 - 05:31am PT
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Alt Right, vaping gamers and the Confederate moonshine legacy has Trump looking the other way- he doesn't want to piss off a faction of his base.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 11, 2019 - 11:32am PT
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From what I have heard ,Vermont’s legislature is working on a way to tax and regulate businesses. They are set to do that this spring.
Then you will get significant revenue that they will have to decide how to use.
New York wants to use the same strategy.
Letting citizens have the opportunity before corporate interests is going to create business opportunities for the common man.
Even folks like me that have been in this business since college.
I don't see why the pot business should be treated as any other business. Should we break up the big wine makers because it it evil to have large corporations that can offer products to consumers at lower prices?
But on a more serious topic. Recently read that CA's pot tax revenue is only about half of what was expected.
Gee, it seems that if you make it really hard to get a license, you discriminate against companies trying to get economies of scale, and have really, really high taxes, consumers will continue to buy on the black market. Who would of thunk?
The state should make it easy to get a license. Have the taxes low for five years or so to drive the black market out of business. And then start raising them.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 12:47pm PT
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August,those are good questions.
As a response, those wine and booze makers have a great deal of leverage in their respective markets. Lobbyists contour a lot of their regulation and or practices.
They are entrenched in our political environment.
Look what happened after prohibition of alcohol. You could not even brew beer at home until Jimmy Carter freed that up.
The companies over here ,Constellation,Anheuser-Busch even North American Brands(Genesee Beer) have already either bought out growers of medicinal pot,or started their own grow operations (Columbia Care,Butler Evergreen,both local to me)expecting to capitalize.
Now ,I do not see anything wrong with that ,except ,the complete neglect and bypass of regular citizens getting a crack at starting businesses.
Especially those that have been in this for some time,who pushed,advocated and even lobbied for an end to this prohibition. Some have even paid a hefty price for this.
This corporatization ,if you will ,will take place eventually,but ,it should not be just handed to them.
Especially from those who aided the prohibition in the first place,the government.
One thing I will tell you is that the prohibition may never be over,even if the Feds end it and there are some states that will not legalize,here comes the
ATF.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 11, 2019 - 12:50pm PT
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Only sick people need to smoke marijuana.
Once healthy no need for it anymore .....
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 01:09pm PT
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Work is over,I am rolling one right now.
Certainly not to get things straight,lol.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 01:14pm PT
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Jogill,does anyone that goes to Colorado,visit Pueblo?
That is amazing though.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Jan 11, 2019 - 02:30pm PT
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I voted for legalization. The Mexican/Cuban cartels were delighted when voters approved. Fortunately, they have instructed their minions here to offer no resistance to arrest, so there has been little to no violence.
Pueblo is certainly not a primary destination for visitors to the state. The city has a poor reputation and a high crime rate. Fifty percent of the population is on Medicaid. Pueblo West, where I live, is more affluent and is in a much better school district. But we have six to ten pot outlets and have had a number of raids on converted homes.
Good luck, Vermont.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 02:46pm PT
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So is it that the cartels are setting up illegal grow houses or other venues ,or is it the prohibition continues?
Setting small limits and then enforcing violations is still prohibition.
Especially when making it hard to obtain permit/licenses etc.
Were these limits and or regulations in anyway affected from large corps,or business friendly government?
I did not mean to bemoan Pueblo, I have rolled through once or twice.
Just pointing out it is not the destination of most. Maybe why the problems.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 11, 2019 - 04:13pm PT
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Not sure if you are talking CA or CO.
I suppose there is some large scale smuggling from states that have legalized it to those that have not. But I'm not sure that is so much different.
A lot of pot use to come from Mexico. But even before the legalization measures, more and more was domestically produced. Especially the higher quality indoor stuff. So much easier than moving it across an international border.
If pot had always been legal, I don't think the current tax regime would create a huge black market. But since that market already exists, it is relatively easy for illegal dealers to continue on business as normal.
It's not that I'm always thrilled with huge corporations. But I still don't see why pot should be treated differently. I'm not saying that licenses shouldn't be given out to mom-and-pop type of shops. But I don't see why big companies should be denied licenses.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 11, 2019 - 04:16pm PT
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As a different aside, I'm in favor of legalization. But if I was in charge of setting the rules, I wouldn't allow advertising. Treat it the same way that cigarettes are treated.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 04:26pm PT
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NY is taking the same route as Vermont,by not allowing any permits or licenses to anyone until thier respective legislatures figure out how to tax and regulate.
But,they want legalization and No enforcement to take place until then.
Vermont set thier date of legalization earlier on and NY will follow.
They will allow an individual to possess and procure ,up to a pound.
I have given enough reasons ,not just anti corporatist.
Cheers.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 04:34pm PT
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Alcohol is produced from grain,corn,rice,sugar,maple syrup ,hell ,even birch trees,none of them have near the restrictions,permitting,laws,costly detentions,opportunity,or after fermentation,distilling,SAFETY , a nice plant of Diesel has.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Jan 11, 2019 - 08:55pm PT
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"So is it that the cartels are setting up illegal grow houses or other venues ,or is it the prohibition continues? "
Colorado was very liberal with pot at first. No license required for individuals to grow up to six plants at a time and those with medical approval way more than that. Originally, anyone over 21 could grow many more plants, but that's not true now. The cover given by legalization of cultivation in one's home and the taxes on the legal sales have encouraged the growth of the black market and cartel activity, like excessive cigarette taxes have done elsewhere.
Revenue for education has dwindled to a trickle.
No problems for me. I'm just along for the ride. Interesting times.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 11, 2019 - 10:18pm PT
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As usual, money grubbing gubmint phuks it up.
There’s a reason people go into the gubmint - it’s all they’re good for.
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