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wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 22, 2018 - 04:44pm PT
Vermont legalized,I hope New York learns a few things.

It is not aimed at commercial distribution.https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2018/01/22/vermont-governor-signs-marijuana-legalization-into-law/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=ViEWS%20Alerts#1aadb0de526a
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 22, 2018 - 05:05pm PT
I am totally all for legalization even though I do not smoke. I do however feel that this bill is about as dumb as slamming your dick in a car door.

make weed legal without a legal way to buy it is just going to feed a bunch of money into the ilicit market and not all those people are nice people. A much better and more sane plan is to regulate and tax a legal market. great new industry and the tax windfall could help us solve the health care problems that we have.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 22, 2018 - 05:12pm PT
We now have a weed shop about every other block here in PDX. I assume there will be quite a bit of consolidation as this moves along and the banking side of it opens up.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
I think all the people that have been cultivating for years should have the first crack at it,they might not be the best folks, but, the corporate entity’s will certainly show you who the bad folk are.
My bias comes from NY tying to corporatize it.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2018 - 05:28pm PT
You know someone that has slammed there dick in a car door?

Prohibition has to come to end.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 22, 2018 - 05:31pm PT
Corporations are already in full swing positioning themselves on both the back and front ends and only currently restrained by the aforementioned banking issues. They've been cutting deals with the tribes out this way for large-scale growing operations and also doing a bunch of advance trademark and branding work.

Where pot entrepreneurs go when the banks just say no
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
I hear you
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2018 - 06:05pm PT
It is the proper first step,don’t worry the windfall will come,without interference
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 22, 2018 - 06:16pm PT
The local governments are making it cost prohibitive to sell recreational cannibis.. Now the illegal growers are going to thrive...Talk about pinching your weiny on the door post...
Don Paul

Mountain climber
Denver CO
Jan 23, 2018 - 07:01am PT
Excellent timing, right in the face of Jeff Sessions.
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jan 23, 2018 - 07:41am PT
50 years too late for Joe Pepitone

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jan 23, 2018 - 07:45am PT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2019 - 05:26pm PT
The word is ,April 1st.

A Democratic state assembly ,finally ,is going on to push it through,damn near the way Vermont did.

Going to let the market decide which way the government will take it.


You can laugh all you want,I may finalize what I am looking to do with my 3 acres of fallow ex potato farm land.


Become a legal farmer,Hemp as well.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 9, 2019 - 06:15pm PT
Good on you Wilbeer....
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2019 - 06:31pm PT
Thanks John.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 9, 2019 - 07:00pm PT
They want to have more anxiety?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
I have a very good friend in Telluride that spent 3 years in Leavenworth ,for a half ounce,found in a pullover in Kansas.

This has to end.


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 9, 2019 - 07:45pm PT
More anxiety...lmao...
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
Jan 10, 2019 - 08:41am PT
I have a very good friend in Telluride that spent 3 years in Leavenworth ,for a half ounce,found in a pullover in Kansas.

Now that's criminal. So much for all that FREEDOM bullsh#t.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 10, 2019 - 02:48pm PT
don't get me wrong. I am super stoked that VT legalized just wish we were smart enough to regulate and tax so that maybe we could get everyone on decent health care.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2019 - 03:26pm PT
From what I have heard ,Vermont’s legislature is working on a way to tax and regulate businesses. They are set to do that this spring.

Then you will get significant revenue that they will have to decide how to use.

New York wants to use the same strategy.

Letting citizens have the opportunity before corporate interests is going to create business opportunities for the common man.

Even folks like me that have been in this business since college.
couchmaster

climber
Jan 10, 2019 - 04:41pm PT

Long overdue, there's no need to lock up honest folks for personal choices. It's bullshit on a high level. Congrats Wilbeer and the rest of you "Yankees". Now to work on all the confederates and everyone else who hasn't figured it out so they can be free as well.

Next thing to work on it the seizure (AKA "theft") by (dishonest) cops of cash that honest folks may be carrying.
Bale

Mountain climber
UT
Jan 10, 2019 - 05:00pm PT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 10, 2019 - 05:36pm PT
Yeah, smoking weed gives me anxiety,........ when I look in the rear view and see the popo.

We're not out of the woods yet. The elf on the shelf Sessions is not inclined to implement Obama policy.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jan 11, 2019 - 02:53am PT
regardless of what state law says the feds can still take your guns if they wanted to press the issue...
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 11, 2019 - 05:31am PT
Alt Right, vaping gamers and the Confederate moonshine legacy has Trump looking the other way- he doesn't want to piss off a faction of his base.

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 11, 2019 - 11:32am PT
From what I have heard ,Vermont’s legislature is working on a way to tax and regulate businesses. They are set to do that this spring.

Then you will get significant revenue that they will have to decide how to use.

New York wants to use the same strategy.

Letting citizens have the opportunity before corporate interests is going to create business opportunities for the common man.

Even folks like me that have been in this business since college.

I don't see why the pot business should be treated as any other business. Should we break up the big wine makers because it it evil to have large corporations that can offer products to consumers at lower prices?

But on a more serious topic. Recently read that CA's pot tax revenue is only about half of what was expected.

Gee, it seems that if you make it really hard to get a license, you discriminate against companies trying to get economies of scale, and have really, really high taxes, consumers will continue to buy on the black market. Who would of thunk?

The state should make it easy to get a license. Have the taxes low for five years or so to drive the black market out of business. And then start raising them.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 12:47pm PT
August,those are good questions.

As a response, those wine and booze makers have a great deal of leverage in their respective markets. Lobbyists contour a lot of their regulation and or practices.
They are entrenched in our political environment.

Look what happened after prohibition of alcohol. You could not even brew beer at home until Jimmy Carter freed that up.

The companies over here ,Constellation,Anheuser-Busch even North American Brands(Genesee Beer) have already either bought out growers of medicinal pot,or started their own grow operations (Columbia Care,Butler Evergreen,both local to me)expecting to capitalize.

Now ,I do not see anything wrong with that ,except ,the complete neglect and bypass of regular citizens getting a crack at starting businesses.

Especially those that have been in this for some time,who pushed,advocated and even lobbied for an end to this prohibition. Some have even paid a hefty price for this.

This corporatization ,if you will ,will take place eventually,but ,it should not be just handed to them.

Especially from those who aided the prohibition in the first place,the government.


One thing I will tell you is that the prohibition may never be over,even if the Feds end it and there are some states that will not legalize,here comes the


ATF.
WBraun

climber
Jan 11, 2019 - 12:50pm PT
Only sick people need to smoke marijuana.

Once healthy no need for it anymore .....
jogill

climber
Colorado
Jan 11, 2019 - 01:07pm PT

"We've had legal weed in Colorado since 2012 and it's worked out nicely"



https://www.thecannabist.co/tag/pueblo-area-pot-busts/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 01:09pm PT
Work is over,I am rolling one right now.

Certainly not to get things straight,lol.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 01:14pm PT
Jogill,does anyone that goes to Colorado,visit Pueblo?


That is amazing though.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Jan 11, 2019 - 02:30pm PT
I voted for legalization. The Mexican/Cuban cartels were delighted when voters approved. Fortunately, they have instructed their minions here to offer no resistance to arrest, so there has been little to no violence.

Pueblo is certainly not a primary destination for visitors to the state. The city has a poor reputation and a high crime rate. Fifty percent of the population is on Medicaid. Pueblo West, where I live, is more affluent and is in a much better school district. But we have six to ten pot outlets and have had a number of raids on converted homes.

Good luck, Vermont.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 02:46pm PT
So is it that the cartels are setting up illegal grow houses or other venues ,or is it the prohibition continues?


Setting small limits and then enforcing violations is still prohibition.

Especially when making it hard to obtain permit/licenses etc.

Were these limits and or regulations in anyway affected from large corps,or business friendly government?

I did not mean to bemoan Pueblo, I have rolled through once or twice.

Just pointing out it is not the destination of most. Maybe why the problems.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 11, 2019 - 04:13pm PT


Not sure if you are talking CA or CO.

I suppose there is some large scale smuggling from states that have legalized it to those that have not. But I'm not sure that is so much different.

A lot of pot use to come from Mexico. But even before the legalization measures, more and more was domestically produced. Especially the higher quality indoor stuff. So much easier than moving it across an international border.

If pot had always been legal, I don't think the current tax regime would create a huge black market. But since that market already exists, it is relatively easy for illegal dealers to continue on business as normal.

It's not that I'm always thrilled with huge corporations. But I still don't see why pot should be treated differently. I'm not saying that licenses shouldn't be given out to mom-and-pop type of shops. But I don't see why big companies should be denied licenses.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 11, 2019 - 04:16pm PT
As a different aside, I'm in favor of legalization. But if I was in charge of setting the rules, I wouldn't allow advertising. Treat it the same way that cigarettes are treated.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 04:26pm PT
NY is taking the same route as Vermont,by not allowing any permits or licenses to anyone until thier respective legislatures figure out how to tax and regulate.

But,they want legalization and No enforcement to take place until then.

Vermont set thier date of legalization earlier on and NY will follow.

They will allow an individual to possess and procure ,up to a pound.

I have given enough reasons ,not just anti corporatist.

Cheers.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2019 - 04:34pm PT


Alcohol is produced from grain,corn,rice,sugar,maple syrup ,hell ,even birch trees,none of them have near the restrictions,permitting,laws,costly detentions,opportunity,or after fermentation,distilling,SAFETY , a nice plant of Diesel has.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Jan 11, 2019 - 08:55pm PT
"So is it that the cartels are setting up illegal grow houses or other venues ,or is it the prohibition continues? "


Colorado was very liberal with pot at first. No license required for individuals to grow up to six plants at a time and those with medical approval way more than that. Originally, anyone over 21 could grow many more plants, but that's not true now. The cover given by legalization of cultivation in one's home and the taxes on the legal sales have encouraged the growth of the black market and cartel activity, like excessive cigarette taxes have done elsewhere.

Revenue for education has dwindled to a trickle.

No problems for me. I'm just along for the ride. Interesting times.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 11, 2019 - 10:18pm PT
As usual, money grubbing gubmint phuks it up.
There’s a reason people go into the gubmint - it’s all they’re good for.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Jan 12, 2019 - 01:20am PT
Is there an intoxication test when you get stopped by LEO?
People are stupid enough already- and then they're gonna crash into you after a couple puffs for sure.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 12, 2019 - 08:01pm PT
LOL yeah standard drunk test not likely to work on weed.

Maybe the cops should offer them fresh nachos, and if they eat them all fast,..................BLOOD TEST!
jogill

climber
Colorado
Jan 13, 2019 - 02:56pm PT
It's unclear . . .

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/25/colorado-marijuana-traffic-fatalities/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 03:13pm PT
however, say the rising number of pot-related traffic fatalities cannot be definitively linked to legalized marijuana.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/monazhang/2018/03/13/legal-marijuana-is-a-boon-to-the-economy-finds-study/amp/


Ok ,so which is the truth ,really. I was an EMT for 20 years over here, I have never,I repeat never showed up at a scene where the guy drove into the ditch because he smoked too many bongs.

Keep believing what you want ,you have proof in numbers..

35 million in one year added to the local tax base in Pueblo. My guess is that you could of done better raising taxes and keeping the prohibition going.

HS.


It is not unclear.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 05:04pm PT
I just have to say ,the age old arguments and demonizing of maryjane,sound so ,well old and very dated.

I really do not mean to be so terse.

This has to end.

Anyone out there that has a beef with legalization,should then have twice the amount of venom in them to totally ,at least twice ,to go against anything Alcohol.

You all know it.

You ,really ,DO.


And ,as far as not meeting your goals as to paying for everything ,so you do not have to.

Sorry.

It is a shame that a whole mess of stoners could not pay your share of the social contract we all live by.

There bye making it all viable.

Some people piss me off. I figure you all knew that.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2019 - 05:27pm PT
Here is another thing.

Since NY legalized medicinal cannibis earler on,great universities,like the one I have been going to part time,Cornell, have been studying cannabis.

I have taken part in clinical trials.

They and SUNY are closing in on tendon/cartilage repair therapy with the use of MJ and Hemp.

Trials have had unbelievable success.

You will hear of this,soon.
Touque

Trad climber
Santacruzcalif
Jan 17, 2019 - 11:26am PT
I'm probably the last to take up smoking pot in the stonemaster days at tahquitz , finally went up to stoners Ridge with all the masters and some to bong been growing and smoking every since now it's legal . It's about time! Matt from Santa cruz
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 17, 2019 - 11:52am PT
not one accident reported because of weed

So yer saying that being high and driving is OK?
Clearly, you should have yer license jerked.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 17, 2019 - 12:52pm PT
A couple we are friends with that live in Bakersfield drive down to L.A. county about once a month to get to a rec-legal shop. They're our age so not exactly tuned into the black market, and don't want to settle for the limited selection a black market provider would have. It would be like going to the liquor store and your only three choices were Milwaukee's Best Light, Tanqueray, and Cinnamon Schnapps.

So I remember years ago reading a newspaper story, the author lived in a dry county in Kentucky. As I recall, he and his wife, once or twice a month did a one hour round trip to buy alcohol. There was a voter initiative to make the county wet and he found out after the election his wife voted to keep it dry. Her comment was something along the line of 'it didn't seem right to overturn the ban on alcohol sales'. Go figure.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 17, 2019 - 12:58pm PT
So yer saying that being high and driving is OK?
Clearly, you should have yer license jerked.

What to do about this is problematic. It is really hard to come up with any sort of test saying this amount of THC is ok, but beyond this limit it is not ok. For starters, pot has all sorts of mind altering chemicals besides just THC and they affect different people differently.

It helps that stoned drivers probably aren't as dangerous as drunk drivers, which isn't to say that I think driving stoned is ok.

Driverless cars can't get here too soon.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 17, 2019 - 01:02pm PT
A measured and thoughtful response. You can have yer license back.
Surely a blood test could be developed but that is a huge can of worms.
A plasma cranial rectal inversion multimeter is indicated.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 8, 2019 - 12:47pm PT
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/legal-pot-bill-420-senate-marijuana-792093/?fbclid=IwAR0ncP3gkotqcCrl983a48KiED64QBXUj3wf5s5DMMNJt6AdxOxDiRUv1fs
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 8, 2019 - 01:28pm PT
Why is it that all Americans want to do is get fat and phukked up?
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