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Happiegrrrl2
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 18, 2018 - 11:49am PT
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When there is a government shut down, how do they deal with visitors currently in the National Parks? Do they do a sweep through campgrounds and roust people out? Or do they just deal turning away with incoming people at the entrances?
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John M
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Jan 18, 2018 - 12:18pm PT
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They generally kick you out. At least they did in Yosemite. That includes hotels. Its a pissy move in my opinion.
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beaner
Social climber
Maine
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Jan 18, 2018 - 12:21pm PT
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last shutdown they gave campers 48 hours to leave in Acadia National Park
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Jan 18, 2018 - 12:26pm PT
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Seriously?
We all know the answer.
Yer Gonna Die!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jan 18, 2018 - 12:29pm PT
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There are Big Walls that have designated "Government Shutdown" bivies.
FACT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 18, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
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Some ranger gonna come drag you outta the backcountry?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
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Was the road through JT kept open during the shut down?
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Bethesda
Trad climber
Bethesda
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:14pm PT
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The rangers used to patrol the high country in Yosemite (on horses) and roust people without proper backcountry permits. Wake them up in the middle of the night and make them get moving. Don't know if they still do that. Budgetary concerns may have affected the practice.
But never underestimate the Man.
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Bethesda
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Bethesda
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
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We never had any problem with the patrolling rangers in Yosemite because we never camped near a trail. You had to be near one of the elephant trails to be caught.
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monolith
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state of being
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:18pm PT
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Don't leave your car at a trail head, unless you are ok with a ticket, or tow. Might be ok for a few days, but a week, probably knot.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
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The road through JT was not open. We were lucky enough to stay on the Cohn Property, but were told in no uncertain terms we would be tossed if we were found climbing off the property. The ranger was not happy to see us.
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Bethesda
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Bethesda
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:22pm PT
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My college roommate was brother-in-law to the Chief Ranger at Yosemite then, so I got to know a few of the rangers. They took an unholy delight in enforcing the backcountry rules. Plus when they went on a patrol they got a few days out from under the eyes of their bosses. In the high country, no less. No wonder it was so hard to get one of those jobs.
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Bethesda
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Bethesda
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:29pm PT
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The National Recreation Area at Great Falls, Virginia (part of the National Park system) was once closed when the Potomac flooded. Against the rules, one of the Olympic kayakers in the area put in on the Maryland side. A Virginia policeman waded out into the Potomac, at risk of his life, and grabbed the kayak, dragging it onto the Virginia side.
The kayaker was criminally prosecuted but the case against him was dismissed because the boundary between Maryland and Virginia runs along the Virginia side of the river, not down the center of the river, and so the Virginia policeman did not have authority to effect an arrest twenty feet or so into the river.
I personally observed (don't ask me how) that during that shutdown the rangers were patrolling parts of the park that they never ordinarily patrolled.
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:59pm PT
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the safety and integrity of park resources would be at risk, not to mention the safety of visitors and the quality of their experience, if park personnel weren’t there to ensure proper management and oversight
get ready for taggers to go on a spree
and by the way, there will be a shutdown. Politicians are not looking to avoid it, they're just angling to see how they can best use it to their own political advantage
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FTOR
Sport climber
CA
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Jan 18, 2018 - 02:28pm PT
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how can you punish taxpaying citizens the most with the gov shutdown, throw them out of their national parks. the difference during the reagan years was they just stopped manning the entrance stations, etc. got to stay for free, it was great.
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Da-Veed
Big Wall climber
Bigfork
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Jan 18, 2018 - 02:52pm PT
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I was solo on El Cap during the last shutdown. They did not kick me out. Although my car had many notices on it when I got down and there was no place to buy beer...sad face.
And no they did not close Tioga Pass, I left that way. Every pull out had cones and barriers saying not to stop. I guess they were trying to close the view too.
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Bethesda
Trad climber
Bethesda
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Jan 18, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
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When the Tioga Road was shut down due to a fire about four years ago I rode my bike from the entrance station down to Olmstead Point and back several times, just because I could. Although cars from free to enter from the east, in fact very few did.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 18, 2018 - 05:13pm PT
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2013's shutdown in October was a stoned gas. I drove up to El Patrol and talked to the few people hanging at the EP Market and they said no problemo for traffic, patrolling Schmeglies, or tourists. The tour buses were allowed in, was my understanding.
I made a run into the park, passed thru the kiosk and was told no stopping, go straight thru to the south entrance, please. I made a record speed run to the Y at the Fresno junction after stopping briefly at Fern Spring (daring fate, of course, but that was part of the fun!).I got to Yo West and took Henness Ridge to the end and parked. Came back that night by reversing the direction, no probs.
I did not go into the valley as that would have led to who knows what. The tour buses were let in because the concessionaire, Delaware NO, would have bitched too much, I think.
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WBraun
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Jan 18, 2018 - 05:39pm PT
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Only gross materialists get shutdown ......
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