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Ballo
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 17, 2018 - 10:14pm PT
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Videos like this make my arthritic hips hurt:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I'm sure the powers that be aren't receiving the benefits of this therapy which they deem unfit for the Hoi Polloi
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jan 17, 2018 - 11:43pm PT
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You have to wonder of course how much of the amazing regeneration associated with stem cell injections is actually of function of the placebo response? Which energizes in some cases the body's own self-healing powers. Without controls and peer reviewed studies it's very difficult to tell.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 18, 2018 - 05:50am PT
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entitled substance using clownz,\, both! still? I will get around to seeing it.
that said gnow the routines?
have ya'seen lyle Alzado's story or any of those Raider's stories from those daze?
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=3040333&tn=20
this is mostly not new. there have been trials going on for 20 yrs. the Hospitals have been using patient's own blood in the recoperative stages .
ive not gone on the sauce coz of costs, , mental physical monetary
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jan 18, 2018 - 07:20am PT
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My friend was up for a hip replacement and was very crippled because of it. Stem cells taken out of his lower back and placed in his hip regenerated all of the damaged tissue. He is 100% back to being the fine athlete that he is today. Insurance did not cover it. He laid out $5800.00.
The procedure was done here in Grass Valley, CA.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 18, 2018 - 08:01am PT
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My friend was up for a hip replacement and was very crippled because of it. Stem cells taken out of his lower back and placed in his hip regenerated all of the damaged tissue. He is 100% back to being the fine athlete that he is today. Insurance did not cover it. He laid out $5800.00.
That is great news for your friend.
Results of stem cell treatments vary of course. I've been watching progress in this area for about 8 years for my damaged knee meniscus.
Treatment as far as I know is still not covered by insurance and/or medicare, but you'd think they would be all over this considering, for example, the costs of stem cell treatment vs. hip replacement.
The costs at the place in Colorado that I check on from time to time have not risen significantly in this time period (around $6K per). Sometimes multiple treatments are given and the cost also vaires if the cells are cultured first.
Regenexx is the place I'm watching. They haven't promised me any referral fees.
https://www.regenexx.com/the-regenexx-procedures/knee-surgery-alternative/
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2018 - 08:39am PT
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Treatment as far as I know is still not covered by insurance and/or medicare, but you'd think they would be all over this considering, for example, the costs of stem cell treatment vs. hip replacement.
This doesn't surprise me given the economic illiteracy of our betters.
If you must have socialized health care it ought to be a voucher system where you get a cash reward if you don't spend it all. This would prevent people from overusing the health care system while providing flexibility in treatments and competition—things the health care industry HATES. The current system is so regulated that an increasing number of clinics refuse to accept Medicare due to the regulatory burden. Imagine turning away most of your potential customers because Medicare is just too much of a headache.
Medicare is also a monumental waste of time as you have to do one procedure at a time when dealing with any institution that accepts Medicare. This was a regulation put in place to prevent over billing (fraud), but ended up just wasting more money (or should I say creating more revenue).
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2018 - 08:40am PT
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You have to keep in mind that the health care industry spends more on lobbying than any other industry, so things are bound to get more expensive and burdensome. It's no surprise that both Bush and Obama expanded the role of Medicare.
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Dave Davis
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 18, 2018 - 08:49am PT
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Localized stem cell treatment is available and legal at numerous locations. I had a treatment done to my arthritic knee about a year and a half ago. The stem cells were harvested from bone marrow, taken from the hip. Also they did some lipo-suction to get some from some fat as well as some from my blood. All three elements were individually spun in a centrifuge and injected into the knee. This was done by a local Sports Medicine Doctor. He claims his success rate is in the 90% range, but unfortunately I seem to be part of the 10%. Administering it via IV and using embryonic or umbilical stem cells probably isn't legal in the U.S., but sounds like it could be more effective. A cousin of mine had a treatment similar to mine with positive results. It didn't work for me, so be forewarned before plunking down six-grand.
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doc bs
Social climber
Northwest
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Jan 18, 2018 - 09:08am PT
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It's amazing what 3-6 months of daily yoga and gym climbing can do for your chronic hip and knee and back pain (I'm talking about balance and core training). You don't see them getting on the radio to talk about that much...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 18, 2018 - 09:10am PT
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Dave, you might want to watch the whole episode if you haven't already.
Curious how old you were when you got the marrow therapy. They talk about effectiveness as a function of MSC age (more towards the end of the hour long episode).
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 18, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
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Misleading thread title.
Should read "Dr. Neil Riordan on Stem Cell Therapy and Mel Gibson Clicking Pens"
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jan 18, 2018 - 02:18pm PT
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Mumbo jumbo works!
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 18, 2018 - 03:09pm PT
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Bruce Morris in with the bullshit!
Projecting much, buddy?
Christ almighty, just stop.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jan 18, 2018 - 03:37pm PT
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Faith healing celebrity grandpa down in Panama for big bucks, with a couple of nurse-whores thrown in to sharpen the pencil. Lump sum bid. Next!
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 18, 2018 - 07:23pm PT
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There's gonna be a long line of us Supertopo fellas there soon I'd expect.
"My hip!"
"My knee!"
"My shoulder!"
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Dave Davis
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 18, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
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I haven't watched the whole video,but I was 65 when I had the procedure done. Just got a total knee replacement a couple of days ago, a more industrial solution.....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 18, 2018 - 11:03pm PT
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HFCS good point on age dependency
I've been waiting for years so I'm not in pain, but less flexible than before
It's a complex tear and would be nice to have it retreaded if possible, but maybe yoga would be just as useful
You stumped me though what is MSC?
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jan 21, 2018 - 09:13pm PT
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It's a well known adage that if you tell a cancer patient that you have a new miracle cure and you cite some authorities who endorse it, if you inject that patient with a sterile water solution, his tumors will often go into remission and shrink. However, the minute the patient is made aware that the whole procedure was a placebo, the tumors will come right back. And . . . his disease will progress and he will die. What they think is going on is that if the patient believes in the procedure and the doctor, the body's own natural healing mechanisms are activated. Strong belief in itself is a symptom of certain areas of the brain being activated. And yes there are legit studies of the phenomenon going on at Harvard Medical Center.This could very well what's going on with these stem cell injection clinics in far-off, exotic locales. Probably works but not for the reasons people believe it does. So, until there are a large number of scientific peer-reviewed double-blind studies of thousands of patients, I'd invest my money elsewhere. But if you believe strongly enough that it works, it may work for you. Remember what the Mayo Clinic guy told Mel: "Witch doctors!" But if they throw in a couple of super hot complimentary Panamanian hookers with the luxury rooms, I might climb on board for a treatment-vacation. What the heck? It's only money!
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