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Slym
climber
Merced, CA
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Jan 17, 2018 - 08:35am PT
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...the red counties rightly understand that the money the blue counties supposedly send their way is mostly illusion. Property tax runs those counties not state level tax dollars. The blue county rich folk squanders billions on bullsh#t, emo voter initiatives and pretend everything is a-ok.
Moving from a "blue" county in Silicon Valley to a rural "red" County a couple years ago has been a confirmation of what you posted above, and part of the reason we decided to move our family to the Central Valley. People here generally have a good nose for the bullsh#t, and aren't willing to be sold a sack of it. Then it's seemingly excused as the ramblings of simple folk.
I'm in a line of work that really needs more participation from these communities, but they've been burned so many times in the last 50 years (and see more on the horizon) that apathy takes over, and it's easier for many to just put the nose to the grindstone and achieve the "simple life" you outlined in your other comment below.
It's interesting, too -- Mouse mentioned the UC influence in Merced, where even here there's some mistrust in "the UC folk." Maybe it's a mistrust of a "blue" institution that's perceived to be selling more bullsh#t? Or maybe it's a protective instinct to keep those "blues" from impacting the "simple life."
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 17, 2018 - 10:08am PT
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People here generally have a good nose for the bullsh#t, and aren't willing to be sold a sack of it.
Then why do they vote Republican?
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 17, 2018 - 10:25am PT
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Which state would get to keep the legal weed?
I'd presume both.
Not sure why non-New California cares so much about breakaway states. A lot of them were probably cheering for Catalan independence not long ago.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Jan 17, 2018 - 10:59am PT
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In order for such a separation to work it would necessarily require overwhelming support in both Trad Cali and Libtardia Enclavia.
The only two ways I can see that going forward is:
1) Trad Cali acquires the political dominance to reverse the current electoral situation--forcing Libtardia to perhaps seek separation, which Trad Cali would readily agree to in a heartbeat. This is of course highly unlikely given the current population distribution and disparities.
2) Blue Cali joins the rest of the national Libtardia Enclavia to secede from the U.S. and as part of a broader deal would relinquish Trad Cali.
Any of these developments are in the distant future, if at all. But perhaps not so distant.
One thing is certain however: IF current and future efforts to limit immigration in the U.S. become increasingly restrictive this will threaten the political future of Libtardia by depleting it of incoming warm bodies.
The writing on the wall for Blue Cali would then be incrementally apparent: separate while they've got the warm bodies or risk an ignominious political reintegration into Trad America.
Such an outcome would of course be unfortunately tragic for the progressive techno-elite masses yearning to breathe free:
If on the other hand Blue Cali joins a nationally broad Libtardia Enclavia and secedes from the U.S. it would be hard not to envision a dystopian future for the resultant Snowflakia: an immigration policy that could be summed up as: "if you can get here then you're a de facto citizen." And a political climate resembling third world thuggery as various groups violently clash for dominance:
The situation would then devolve into inescapable anarchy and then eventual totalitarian leftism of the sort witnessed in Europe and elsewhere over the last century. Not pretty.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 17, 2018 - 11:36am PT
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Sadly, Ward probably spent a fair amount of his morning composing and illustrating that babblelog.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Jan 17, 2018 - 11:38am PT
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Sadly, Ward probably spent a fair amount of his morning composing and illustrating that babblelog.
Probably just a little bit longer than you spent reading it.
Like the photos?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 17, 2018 - 12:05pm PT
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Will Independence then become like a ‘free state’ or the Switzerland of Cali?
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matisse
climber
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Jan 17, 2018 - 12:54pm PT
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They are dreaming if they aren't already if they think San Diego county would be a part of this. From Wikipedia "According to the San Diego County Registrar of Voters, as of June 2013, there are 1,556,739 registered voters in San Diego County. Of those, 547,897 (35.2%) are registered Democratic, 526,306 (33.8%) are registered Republican, 401,340 (25.8%) declined to state a political party"
56% voted for Clinton and only 36% for Trump.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2018 - 01:50pm PT
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At least they'll have a bullet train...
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jan 17, 2018 - 01:54pm PT
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It's a non-starter of an idea. Wasn't the last time a state divided in 1863?
Part of Virginia "went south," quite literally, and another part wanted to stay with the Union.
That same event settled the broader issue of secession, too...
Force of arms says states cannot secede.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 17, 2018 - 03:23pm PT
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There's a shithole part of every state, county, city and block. There's even a sh#t-drawer in my kitchen.
Because he won't, I take out my neighbor's trash every Thursday...big deal.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Jan 17, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
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^^^ Welcome to the 19th century economy and the pre-lapsarian New Deal society to which all the red hats would have us return. Back when things were so much better than they are today.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 17, 2018 - 04:34pm PT
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My story is pretty much the same as Dingus' in terms of leaving the place I grew up and heading west. I didn't do it for a job, rather because I was unhappy in my home town and wanted something else. Didn't know what it was, but knew there had to be something out there for me.
Also like Dingus, I think I did reasonably well for a prairie boy "of modest education and income aspiration." Which is to say, I discovered climbing, and built a life around that -- somehow managing to include a family, home ownership, and all that stuff. Including the "old cars and cheap clothes."
And then threw it all away, moved again (this time for a job), and redid the whole show.
But Dingus and I aren't just old guys whose stories are meaningless in this new era. In the last three years, I've hired four young people (well, three young and one middle-aged) and am about to hire a fifth. And every single one of them has the same history -- moving from where they grew up and looking for a new life.
And they're doing well, even in this city (Seattle) which everyone says has become totally unaffordable.
And, as Dingus said:
Was it ever any different? Was Rome affordable to some peasant from the provinces?
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jan 17, 2018 - 04:48pm PT
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SomebodyAnybody nailed it. Figuring out how to fix those issues would solve a lot of the inequality and persistent unemployment issues we have.
I grew up in Torrance, not too far from the beach. It was a pretty nice place to grow up. To move and get a house where my parents house was, you'd need an income well over $100K and a decent sized down payment. How many people moving from West Virginia or Mississippi are going to have that?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 17, 2018 - 04:51pm PT
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Or maybe we just create two little states for the 9% very conservative people and 6% very liberal people and let them each create and live with their own messes.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jan 17, 2018 - 05:14pm PT
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Drive from downtown LA to northeast CA and it seems weird that it's all one state.
Broad range of people and lifestyles to all have one set of rules created by the two most populated areas.
I'm fine with the split and living in New California, we wouldn't need all the tax money from the big cities because we wouldn't spend it on things like bullet trains and enforcing the 900 (!) new laws on the books in CA for 2018.
We'll let LA buy water for $1 per gallon, the tax for building a giant city right next to no natural resources of their own :)
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 17, 2018 - 07:21pm PT
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Or maybe we just create two little states for the 9% very conservative people and 6% very liberal people and let them each create and live with their own messes.
Why wouldn't you put them in one little state and televise the results?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 17, 2018 - 07:33pm PT
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Never saw you in Otay or San Miguel or didI? Cheers {from Bostonia Ballroom}
I’ve been all over this state top to bottom left to right rich to poor - and I am just not going to let yall rip my playground apart like this. So the motion is DENIED!
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You Californios are just going to have to learn to live together... again.
DMT
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