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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Since "Vibram" is the concatention of VItale and BRAMani, and since "Vitale" is pronounced "Vee-Tally," we should indeed be pronouncing Vibram as "Vee-bram!"
The espadrille term is French, and it did mean a slipper, with the rope sole understood. According to Wikipedia, the name comes from the type of grass used to weave the rope soles. I said "hemp," but apparently the traditional substance was called esparto.
Espadrilles are made today, but the fashion world has appropriated the term to refer to anything with a rope or rope-like rand, the sole usually being something else.
If I remember correctly, Gaston Rebuffat mentions espadrilles in his book Starlight and Storm. He apparently had a pair for rock pitches on the Walker Spur and mentioned that his pleasure was somewhat decreased because the ones he had did not grip well.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 10, 2018 - 09:53pm PT
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Seems like a footwear option muck better suited to limestone than granite.
Wandering around in frozen espadrilles is a recipe for disaster as it turned out.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jan 10, 2018 - 10:34pm PT
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To briefly interrupt the name-calling, Vibram has a booth at the Outdoor Retailer, and I once met Vitali Bramani's grandson and great granddaughter there.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:04am PT
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Hey, Given to me by Weissner, and Kraus (Hans's) who would have Know the correct pronunciation Any guess as to if the rubber on these are Vyebrum ?
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:32am PT
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Hey, Thanks for that link rgold,
& there was a silly thread on MP asking for you to opine, I gave a snarkey response and have now passed it along to you as I said I would . . .
Nate Doyle · 1 day ago · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2016 · Points: 10
Sorry everyone, I forgot to mention that I'm waiting for Rgold's advice and his advice alone. I guess I should have mentioned it when I started the thread. I realize that these 14 pages of contributions are basically a total waste but, I did want you to feel like you were doing well and why I let you all continue. A for effort!
I said that you would say . . ."Grow A Pair"
(OH, NO Now I'm Late)
https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/113989506/post-unpopular-opinions-here?page=14
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Jan 11, 2018 - 12:20pm PT
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In fact, the first Vibram soles, whose lug pattern remained unchanged for many years, were a rubber replica of the nailing pattern used for the mountaineering boots of the day.
That's interesting; I always wondered why they used that pattern.
I wonder how good the friction was on those hemp rope soles.
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Jan 11, 2018 - 12:33pm PT
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The friction was probably terrible! But at the time espadrilles were the alternative to nailed boots, which (I think...I've never climbed in nailed boots) required precise edge technique involving tricouni-hooking. No edges would means grating metal on bare rock.
In the text On Climbing (1955), the author Charles Evans seriously discusses the advantages and drawbacks of nailed boots vs. "rubbers," (also called "plimsoles") which were plain old sneakers.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 11, 2018 - 03:09pm PT
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Nailed boots may well have been edgeing machines???
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