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Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Jan 3, 2018 - 01:18pm PT
John M,
if she doesn't use the the solar to electrify the shack door's and windows' handles and locks, with 12 volts. As in fencing in cows. Hurts as hell, but not dangerous. Only needs a remote to control it, so Happie can open it herself.

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 3, 2018 - 01:28pm PT
zip...You can use those life like dolls to practice love making...They never get headaches...rj

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 3, 2018 - 02:04pm PT
Reilly, what's wrong with Lompoc?

Nuthin! Quite like it, but we’ve resers in Pismo and that’s where the Monarchs are!
Just wish the Air Fuzz woulda let us onto the base so we coulda gone to Point Arguello.

Jan 3, 2018 - 02:30pm PT
I didn't bother reading all the posts, but is living in a van on a parcel legal in this area? I believe most zoning in CA counties doesn't allow an RV for primary residence, unless for temporary use (typically during construction with a building permit on file).
Maybe it's remote enough nobody cares, but it would be a shame to go through all the hassle and still not be able to park the van.
Good luck.

Trad climber
Jan 3, 2018 - 03:12pm PT
From what I have found, Legally, you can camp for 3 nights out of 30. You can camp if you have a building permit, and I think that goes for two years, and if you aren't ready to occupy, can extend for one more.

From other posts, re: garage: You cannot build a secondary building before the primary residence.

The SB County codes are complex and cumbersome.


Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Jan 3, 2018 - 03:30pm PT
From other posts, re: garage: You cannot build a secondary building before the primary residence.

Even if you seek building permit for it?
You know, there's ALWAYS loopholes to use. In any law. Unfortunately I don't know American - Californian - building law, but this is my area of expertise over here. You just need to find the right person, she who knows how to navigate these waters.

Trad climber
Jan 3, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
Not taking the time to look up to verify, I remember reading that it has to be primary residence structure first.

You have to have permits to do pretty much anything, like grading. If you are landscaping, retainer walls over 3 ft high need a permit and fences over six feet need a permit.

I gut a chuckle out of the electric fence idea, but the tweekers probably wouldn't even notice, and the rednecks...well, I think that would be asking for your building to be used for target practice.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Jan 3, 2018 - 06:46pm PT
Good Lord...

A plot of sand out here is not going to work. Period. Losers are stealing ENTIRE cargo containers these days off of bare land. If you left anything out on your siliceous utopia it would be gone, for certain.

Garage can't come first... Primary residence must, which you can't build, afford, or want, so that is out. Security will be the impossible dream. If you go to the Park, by dusk your card table, water jug and propane cylinder will already be doing lab work in San Bernardino.

6 things to look into to make this September of your years dream come true:
1. Be a caretaker or house sitter for some rich goner.
2. Lease the ass end of someones established house and property. Nobody will notice a van on the back forty of a real residence.
3. Husband hunt... grim I know, but fuk sake... all the mod cons will come with a nice Christian man with a house.
4. Be a live in helper at some the latest goner ranches aka HipCamps popping up. Help out so you can use one of their exclusive glamping spots in return for some security and a place to park your rig.
5. Go legit, get a job, and get a room or something in town like regular folks. Seasonal. You seem to know something about multimeters and beaters, plus AutoZone won't miss you much when you bolt back to NY in the Spring.
6. Join a cult and let it flow. New ones are starting up out here all the time.

I'm still only going 2/10 on this troll though.

El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 3, 2018 - 07:25pm PT
Locker’s single.


Trad climber
Jan 3, 2018 - 07:31pm PT
Well, Lollie - Before I had read anything about the zoning and codes, I had an idea I could excavate a hole and place a container in it. Then backfill and bury the back, top and one end. I was thinking a rock wall coming out alongside the back at the "opening end." Since I didn't know the deal with water, I thought if I had water, I could have the water heater inside the container, with an outdoor shower that could be disassembled back to the container at season's end.

At travel time, I could put my garden furniture, the bicylce I would maybe have gotten, the grill, and whatever else to stay behind, into the container, and seal it up.

One could still do that....and rent it as a primo HipCamp site, if you had the residence.

At any rate, I am still doing research, and can only say...we'll see.

And Russ - I don't need a plot of sand bad enough to work a seasonal job. I know it is difficult for people to get it, but I NEED the time to work on my creative projects. It's tough enough to keep up when I am in NY, where my job actually ALLOWS me the time to work on the stuff while I am working for them!

If I had to give up on my creative things, I might as well just let my spirit break and start drinking again.

I don't have much, compared to "the normies." Please don't discount the most important part of who I am. God damn it, now I'm tearing up.

Social climber
The internet
Jan 3, 2018 - 08:07pm PT
You likely can’t make it a campground, hostel, rv park, hippie commune either without rezoning, licences or just plain getting shot at by your neighbors. The common denominator is you are basically stealing value and equity from the investments of other members of your neighborhood, and there are laws to prevent that.

The PIT was so many levels of wrong, anywhere else the cops would have been there every night. Not a good model to follow.

Trad climber
Jan 3, 2018 - 08:18pm PT
So basically,

 All your sh#t will get ripped off if you turn your back for 10 seconds

 You can't even scratch your ass without paid permission from the man's people

 It's hot as hell with no water in sight

Sounds awesome, hopefully you can figure something out!
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