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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Dec 15, 2017 - 10:22am PT
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Ghost we probably will too-in 20 yrs, when I'm 75!!
And DMT, yer right it is a poorly run city-that's a real gripe for people staying here-it's like the city leadership (in thrall to the mantra of more jobs more people more money) got all the jobs and people they could handle and never did anything to help with the influx-witness the mind bending traffic, insane home prices, etc. But maybe there can be change-Ed Lee, the erstwhile activist turned tech toady mayor, just died, and who ultimately succeeds him could hopefully maybe affect some change-not that I'm even sure where to start. And one of the problems is a lot of people, myself included, like it as the low rise port town of our past-we don't want to see high rises and super density everywhere-if that's the case then why bother living here, it'll be like manhattan, F*#k that.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 15, 2017 - 10:33am PT
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`What happened to the vaunted tele-commuting? #IgotDSLinPocatelloBraj!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 15, 2017 - 10:40am PT
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You guys may be right about SF being poorly run. I don't really know much about the place or its government. Similar accusations are leveled against the governments in most cities, and there is probably some truth in those accusations.
But what is the solution? Imagine that I could wave a magic wand and make you (Mr. Knopp or Mr. Milktoast) the Emperor of San Francisco. What would you do? And no, you can't say "I'll round up all those homeless creeps and put them on a bus to Seattle" because if you do that, I'll wave the wand again, and you'll find yourself on the Emerald Throne in Seattle.
Seriously, what ideas do you have -- does anyone have -- about how to deal with these problems? Ideas that will work in the real world.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 15, 2017 - 11:03am PT
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How about rounding them up and putting them in camps in Napa where they can
be de-loused, de-toxed, triaged for mental problems, given vasectomies,
given either mental health care or jobs making license plates, and then
worked back into the city government? What goes around comes around, eh?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 15, 2017 - 11:21am PT
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Well I've always thought of you as Planetary Princess, so maybe this is all your fault.
But seriously, how do we fix these problems? Even just the two we're talking about here -- homelessness and skyrocketing real estate prices (and rents).
It's just not as simple as "throw the bums out." Because, even if we do vote the current bums out, what will the new bums do? Nobody in City Hall has a magic wand. I don't care who is the mayor of whatever city, s/he can't simply write a new law that ends homelessness. Or stops people from selling their property for the best price they can get.
How would you feel if the new bums in City Hall told you that the maximum price you could ask for your house was $250K? What happens to your golden years then? They'll kind of turn to tin years, or lead years, won't they?
I really am serious here. What can we, both as individuals and as a society, do? In the real world, not as in the world of waving magic wands.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 15, 2017 - 11:35am PT
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You could start by electing a few members of the business community to city council--instead of 9/9 "activists" you have there now. You could stop voting for self-proclaimed socialists like Kshama Sawant, and child rapists like Murray. You (Seattle) could stop ruining the rest of the state of Washington with your $54 Billion dollar transit scheme--that the rest of us are paying for. This last little gem is the reason we are leaving the state next year. After 55 years.
You really think $12--$15,000/year in property taxes is "fair?" You really think $900/year car tabs are "fair." You really think $20k in permits to replace your own sewer line is "fair?" And you wonder why there are homeless?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 15, 2017 - 11:38am PT
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How about rounding them up and putting them in camps in Napa where they can be de-loused...
And we can make them sew a big H on their clothing.
Anyway, this is not a city problem. This is am national problem. No mayor, no shuttling back and forth, is going to cure this problem. As the ranks of the unemployed grow larger and larger what's going to happen?
Of course we know no form of social democracy will work, as the list of the top five countries with the highest standards of living attests to:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 15, 2017 - 11:44am PT
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Lituya? Re your mention:
This last little gem is the reason we are leaving the state next year. After 55 years.
Are you thinking of moving to Idaho? My cuzzins & you would probably discover much in common.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Dec 15, 2017 - 01:39pm PT
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Tami, no time to write much at the moment (from work) but I think a ban on foreign ownership would be a good start. I'm sure you've read that New Zealand is doing this to curtail booming real estate prices.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 15, 2017 - 03:15pm PT
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Are you thinking of moving to Idaho? My cuzzins & you would probably discover much in common.
Predictable. In any event, Fritz, I want to remind you that every minute you spend responding to me is a minute away from that Illuminatti 9/11 Conspiracy blog you run. But hey, it’s your time lil’ puppet. ;-
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 15, 2017 - 05:14pm PT
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How about rounding them up and putting them in camps in Napa where they can
be de-loused, de-toxed, triaged for mental problems, given vasectomies,
given either mental health care or jobs making license plates, and then
worked back into the city government? What goes around comes around, eh?
Reminds me of the time we transferred a hands-tied problem employee to HR.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Dec 15, 2017 - 06:00pm PT
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Lituya....Was that when you were working the drive thru window at Taco Bell....? Little jonny..
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 15, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
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LJ, sorry. Government work was all I could manage back then with my limited God-given skills. :-)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Dec 15, 2017 - 06:12pm PT
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Lituya...Beats squirting barbeque sauce while groping a robot...LJ
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 15, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
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Barely.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 15, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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DIDN'T ANY OF YOU PEOPLE READ DUNE????
Greatest books of all time:
The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
The Second Treatise of Government
Democracy in America
The Road to Serfdom
The Gulag Archipelago
All Quiet on the Western Front
The Social Construction of Reality
The Epic of Gilgamesh
The Bible
The Social Contract
A Brief History of Time
Dune
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Dec 15, 2017 - 07:18pm PT
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I left Seattle in 2005 after living most of my life there; there are now just too many people. I hate even driving over to use the airport the traffic is so bad. Used to be a great city BITD. Now? Sucks.
says the person living in luxury, in Palm Springs..........of Washington
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 15, 2017 - 09:12pm PT
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What? They've pink flamingos on the lawns of Yakima now?
Would'a thunk it?
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Dec 15, 2017 - 11:12pm PT
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Lots of different forks in this thread...
I lived in SF for about 15 years, starting as a grad student renting a basement room in the outer sunset and leaving as a homeowner around when my kids got to be school aged (they were both born there). I loved living in the city. The homeless problem definitely got me down at times. The true blue homeless are so heartbreaking- obviously mentally ill and getting no real help. At the same time, sometimes I justed wanted to walk to work without being pan handled. However, even at its worst SF is not even close to the poop hellhole described by some- like 99% of the city is completely awesome.
Dense urban environments are very complicated and most issues can be reasonably argued on both sides.
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