Chris Froome Returns Adverse Finding for Salbutamol(OT)

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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 17, 2018 - 06:50pm PT
Phylp... I believe your husband... Makes sense but good luck convincing WADA ...WADA sounds over the top with their interpretations of PED rules...? Who was the Norwegian x-country skier lady that was suspended for using a lip cream that contained a banned substance...?
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 17, 2018 - 07:07pm PT


why would Froome be doping on a training ride?
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So nobody would question his performance elsewhere?
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Jan 17, 2018 - 07:51pm PT
Sometime later... I read him Bruce's posts and he said very interesting he could be right.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 17, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
Was working on an olympic medalists house when the dope cops showed up to do a suprise test ....it was humiliating kinda like having the jehovah witnesses at your front door only they got to come in unannounced and take your blood...
Todd Eastman

Social climber
Putney, VT
Jan 17, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
Doping while training increases the training effect.

No dope in your system while racing😊
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 17, 2018 - 10:00pm PT
I have a good friend who is an internationally famous bio-chemist and cyclist and he also
thinks WADA is an inept bureaucracy. During Lance’s inquisition he said those labs were
a joke. He didn’t say Lance was innocent but from what he saw it was more a case that
he was found guilty in spite of the lab work.
BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2018 - 10:29pm PT
Phylp,

the problem with your husband's logic is that Chris Froome had that option to use as his defense and he chose not to use it so that probably rules out that as the cause of the problem since it is a much more reasonable defense than saying his kidneys accidentally stored the drug and then released it all at once.

A couple of years ago an Italian cyclist, Diego Ulissi, tested at the same level of Salbutamol as Froome. He went into a lab and tried to achieve the same level by just taking the recommended dose of Salbutamol from an inhaler and failed. His defense team then just had to admit that he took too much at one time and he received a 9-month ban.

There is a good article about it here:

http://www.velonews.com/2017/12/news/ulissi-lawyer-froome-risk-longer-ban_453938
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 17, 2018 - 11:40pm PT
Having said that, the editora at VeloNews told me that there are certain tests that do get run on every sample and Salbutamol is one of them. I contacted the US Anti-Doping Agency and asked for confirmation of that and they are working on getting me a reply. Hopefully, they can either confirm or deny that.

There is a strong motivation to give out misinformation on the part of the testing organizations. That is, if you think they are doing one thing, and you prepare for THAT, but they are really doing something else, then you get caught. Why else would the "need to work" on a reply, other than to give you a good, misleading answer, that helps no one.

Defeating testing and catching cheats is a constant competition. The less the cheats know about how the testers test, the harder it is to beat.
BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2018 - 12:36am PT
ken_m,

at the 2002 Winter Olympics, the head of USADA, Frank Shorter, intentionally started a disinformation campaign that there was no way to test for the 2nd generation epo(darbepo) even though there was now a marker and the test was 100% effective.

The disinformation ended up catching a bunch of athletes.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jan 18, 2018 - 05:59am PT
yeah sure? this is new? for pot #32? here these two fit the picture

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=3051997&tn=0

of ill will that cheating gets you. . . even if every one is on the sauce
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 18, 2018 - 06:40am PT
Johann Mulegg was one of the athletes caught in Salt Lake City...X-country skier from Germany that gained spanish citinzery probablly because spain didn't test at that time..Mullegg was out - running the snowmobile camera...Oops..The other athletes caught was a Russian lady x-country skier who lost her medal...Suprise , suprise...
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jan 18, 2018 - 07:18am PT
Coincidentally, last night we watched Icarus on Netflix. Very interesting.
BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2018 - 10:57am PT
Larisa Lazutina was the Russian female XC skier who lost her gold medal in the 30km. What was interesting here is that both Lazutina and Muehlegg won two other medals and were allowed to keep them. A couple of years later the Court for Arbitration in Sport ordered both skiers to return their other medals though they did not test positive when they won them.

And to make the whole sordid affair even weirder, because Lazutina was DQed the skier in second got upgraded. In one of her races it was a Russian skier who then received the gold only to also test positive for darbepotin so in the end the skier who finished third got the gold. I believe a spectator who was on the sidelines watching the race was awarded the bronze:-)

Nice to know that cycling isn't the only sport with a sad history of doping.
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Jan 18, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
There was a short interview on Cyclingnews with the multi-time womans US cyclocross champ Katie Compton. Katie has a well-known problem with asthma, having had to drop out of races due to asthma issues. She indicated there were times when she took multiple hits both before and after races and still didn't register anything close to what Froome got.
BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2018 - 09:10am PT
There is an interesting side story going on here.

The Giro d'Italia is Italy's version of the Tour de France. In recent years riders who have attempted to win both the Giro and the Tour have failed. They can win the Giro which is in May, but can't win the Tour about a month later. So, the Giro has lost some of it's stature as the top riders take a pass in order to have the best shot at winning the Tour.

One way the Giro has attracted top riders is to pay them money to be there. Start money is pretty common in a lot of top sports, it's just not talked about much with the public because it 'taints' the nature of sport for some.

Anyway, the organizer of the Giro has reportedly paid Chris Froome and his Team Sky $3,000,000 to ride the Giro, but there are now some legitimate concerns about the deal.

First off, Froome and his team signed the deal knowing full well that he had this problem with his Salbutamol levels. For some reason(!!!) they forgot to tell the organizer of the Giro when they took his $3 mil. Rightly so, the organizer of the Giro wants the Froome situation resolved before the Giro starts.

If the issue is resolved against Froome he won't be racing. If the situation is resolved in Froome's favor, the flimsy excuse he is going to use for his defense will most likely leave a lot of the public unsatisfied as to his innocence and the $3 mil spent on bringing him to the Giro will have been a big waste of money. Lastly, if the issue is unresolved and he still races, the public will be even more disgruntled.

This situation could have been avoided if Team Sky and Froome had been upfront with the organizers of the Giro. The team is supposedly built around transparency, but I guess that word means different things to different people.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 21, 2018 - 10:01am PT
OT... I remember Bob Roll , with his toothy grin saying " this is how the Italians ride the Giro " as i towed him on his Mt. bike up the 4 mile climb to the start of a Mammoth NORBA race.. That was right before the police pulled us over administrating a stern lecture..
BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2018 - 11:16am PT
More OT, When a bike racer gets married it has been a tradition to have a 'freedom ride' or the last ride as a free man:-)

When Andy Hampsten was getting married we went out for the freedom ride(leaving a bit late) and all got pulled over by the police for supposedly riding three abreast. None of us had any ID's so the police wanted to haul us all into the station to sort it out. It was an hour by bike back to Boulder and the wedding started in two hours so we pleaded with the cops that we would give our real names so just start writing tickets. It didn't help that the SWAT team showed up for some reason.

So, we finally convinced the cops that we would give our real names and the first person the cops walked up to was Bob Roll. They asked him his name and in broken English he says, "my name is Francesco Moser, Italiano" We tried as hard as we could to no bust out laughing, but the officer wrote the ticket and thankfully the rest of us gave our real names. We just made it back in time for the wedding.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jan 21, 2018 - 11:28am PT
Francesco Moser...!! LMAO...Bob's my idol ..
BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2018 - 10:13am PT
ASO is attempting to keep Chris Froome from riding the 2018 Tour de France. Froome returned an Adverse Analytical Finding(AAF) for Salbutamol on September 20, 2017 and ASO is frustrated with how long it is taking to resolve the case. Some feel that Team Sky and Froome are attempting to delay the finding until after he can ride the Tour, hence the attempt at a ban.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 1, 2018 - 10:18am PT
Hinault suggested the riders strike if Froome is allowed to participate...Don't agitate the badger...
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