Jones looks like he is going to beat Moore

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Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Dec 12, 2017 - 09:53pm PT

There will be many people there who have never had a dem senator in memory.

Short memories.

They elected strait party dems from 1831 to the 90’s except for Jeremiah Denton for 2 terms and during during reconstruction. That only changed because a guy switched parties.

Kalimon

Social climber

Ridgway, CO

Dec 12, 2017 - 10:12pm PT

Turns out there was something screwed up and Moore actually won...

Yes the entire U.S. political landscape is screwed up if good ol' boy Roy prevails.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2017 - 10:14pm PT

Alabama wanted a culture war, if not for a "teenie" issue they would have had their culture war. Why should Jones be conciliatory, he has no chance of being reelected. All we need to do is continue to block the orange sh;t gibbon.

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Dec 12, 2017 - 10:19pm PT

It's morning in Moscow.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 12, 2017 - 10:47pm PT

They elected strait party dems from 1831 to the 90’s except for Jeremiah Denton for 2 terms and during during reconstruction. That only changed because a guy switched parties.

What you don't seem to realize is that back then, the democratic party was the party of segregation and bigots, which changed about at the end of that time. They were conservative before, and tend to be very conservative still.

The entire south switched parties.....

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 12, 2017 - 10:51pm PT

Why should Jones be conciliatory, he has no chance of being reelected. All we need to do is continue to block the orange sh;t gibbon.

We can't block him, we are out of power. the only way to come out on top, is to win elections, and the more elections dems win, the better.

Perhaps Jones has no chance, but I don't think that is true. There was no democratic "machine" in the state, but there will be one now. You may think it wise to give up on AL for all time, but I think it is an opportunity. Especially if you review the demographics of voting by age. The demographics are changing, and getting out the vote will be essential.

Lorenzo

Trad climber

Portland Oregon

Dec 12, 2017 - 11:24pm PT

What you don't seem to realize

I realize that now the republicans are the racist bigots.

They are still voting like it’s 1831.

divad

Trad climber

wmass

Dec 13, 2017 - 04:34am PT

The Tide is turning..

nah000

climber

now/here

Dec 13, 2017 - 05:04am PT

divad wrote: “The tide is turning.”

i’d have to politely disagree on that one. basically a known pedophile who for over a month prior to the election had multiple sexual assault allegations against him lost by an effectively razor thin 1.5%.

while the dems should take any victory they can get, they shouldn’t read anything into this other than that the republican leadership basically worked as hard as they could, in their handling of this situation, to hand this election over to the dems... and the dems were still just barely able to trip over the finish line.

if the dems read this as anything other than a one time incompetence grounded gift that they/jones are going to have to work their asses off to keep, it’ll be generally and specifically for naught...

monolith

climber

state of being

Dec 13, 2017 - 05:12am PT

Yep, you don't get to run against a pedophile very often, but there is some Trump backlash factor here as well as he spent considerable political capital to support Moore.

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Dec 13, 2017 - 07:49am PT

Is Steve Bannon still at the bar?

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 13, 2017 - 11:43am PT

DMT, my analysis exactly.

Jones might be unelectable in Los Angles, but he was the perfect moderate to run in AL.

Although, he might be the model of who should be run against the entrenched Repubs in Ca, to take advantage of the times.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 13, 2017 - 11:56am PT

So this brings up a significant strategy issue:

Bannon is the mastermind behind putting up GOP extremists to run against incumbent GOP officeholders. That is partially what happened here. And it worked, in terms of getting the extremist past the primary to knock off the incumbent, Luther Strange, who I think would have easily beat Jones.

If this continues, and the whacky continues to oust the incumbent,or at least fatally weaken them, we may see the shift in Congress that would really lead to the blockage of Trump and the GOP. I don't think this tax plan is going to help them in the general elections.

Marlow

Sport climber

OSLO

Dec 13, 2017 - 11:58am PT

Little Moore, no more...

nature

climber

Boulder, CO

Dec 13, 2017 - 12:07pm PT

He still won't give up.

It's like Moore is Moore and the election is a 14 year old girl.

Norton

climber

The Wastelands

Dec 13, 2017 - 12:23pm PT

Jones might be unelectable in Los Angles

?

Ken, please explain, Jones is a moderate Democrat, LA votes Democratic, why is he unelectable in LA?

Norton

climber

The Wastelands

Dec 13, 2017 - 12:28pm PT

if the dems read this as anything other than a one time incompetence grounded gift that they/jones are going to have to work their asses off to keep, it’ll be generally and specifically for naught...

nahoo, I agree this Democratic victory should NOT be wildly celebrated

however, Alabama IS THE reddest state in US, in fact the last time a Democrat was elected US Senator from Alabama was 25 years ago

the Republicans did all they could to elect Moore including the RNC committing to spending supportive advertising in the state in addition to very popular in Alabama President Trump stumping and robo calling for Moore

yes, Jones won by only 20,000 votes but he won and won in the most Republican state in the USA

please allow us a small amount of ball spiking in the end zone, no one seriously is trying to infer any kind of a massive Dem wave out of this thing

guyman

Social climber

Moorpark, CA.

Dec 13, 2017 - 12:46pm PT

Lesson learned.... do not run candidates who are scum....

The Dems did it with HRC, The repubs just did it with Moore...

I do not look for Jones to go all in with the left side of the Dems.

AS DMT and others have pointed out.... Americans are, the majority of both Dems and Repubs, looking to embrace people who are around the center of the spectrum.