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billygoat
climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 12, 2017 - 10:30am PT
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A friend went up and did Royal Arches this past weekend, and they got a rope stuck between rappels 3 and 4 from the top. They left a 'biner on it with their contact info and would greatly appreciate it if some kind soul would take a lap up there and retrieve it.
And before you all accuse me of trying to hide under the cover of "a friend," let me just dispel that BS right now. She just doesn't want to post on every possible internet forum. Her original post is on Mountain Project. Please contact her directly via the MP post if you end up with the rope. Thank you!
https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/113921277/lost-rope-on-rappel-route-of-royal-arches
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brotherbbock
climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Dec 12, 2017 - 10:39am PT
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"A friend"....... sure Billygoat sure....
Get yer own rope!
Haha just kidding....best of luck.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Dec 12, 2017 - 11:22am PT
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Why could they not recover their rope? Not enough exp or knowledge to go back up? It is NOW BOOTY> Free rope up for grabs. Bail and leave it, ITS BOOTY>period. They had another rope relead the pitch and recover.
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brotherbbock
climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Dec 12, 2017 - 11:46am PT
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I had to leave a stuck rope behind in Red Rocks one time....
I accepted the fact that it was booty...
I never started a thread to get it back.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Dec 12, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
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Countdown to "Go Fund Me" page.......3-2-1.....
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 12, 2017 - 12:21pm PT
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A friend of mine recently bootied 2 new 70m ropes. Someone had rapped off a tree, and couldn't pull the ropes and left them. He soloed the route, and dropped them. Was so stoked, as he's a poor boy.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
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Dec 12, 2017 - 01:06pm PT
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The honest thing to do is return the ropes to them since they made the effort to leave contact information.
I'm sure there are some tweekers that would just love the booty out of your "abandoned" car at some remote trailhead, right JC? Fair game, no?
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sempervirens
climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 01:10pm PT
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Mooch makes a good point.
Also, since they asked nice and if you happen to be there and get the rope, and you know it doesn't belong to you... why not give it back? Then you could spray about yer righteousness.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 12, 2017 - 01:17pm PT
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While any abandoned gear is "booty" under the law
actually it us quite the opposite. Found gear must be turned into the NPS. Just ask Chongo, they included a charge of possessing a bootied tent when he got tooled.
36 CFR Section 2.22 provides in part
§ 2.22 Property.
(a) The following are prohibited:
(1) Abandoning property.
(2) Leaving property unattended for longer than 24 hours, except in locations where longer time periods have been designated or in accordance with conditions established by the superintendent.
(3) Failing to turn in found property to the superintendent as soon as practicable.
(b)Impoundment of property.
(1) Property determined to be left unattended in excess of an allowed period of time may be impounded by the superintendent.
(2) Unattended property that interferes with visitor safety, orderly management of the park area, or presents a threat to park resources may be impounded by the superintendent at any time.
(3) Found or impounded property shall be inventoried to determine ownership and safeguard personal property.
(4) The owner of record is responsible and liable for charges to the person who has removed, stored, or otherwise disposed of property impounded pursuant to this section; or the superintendent may assess the owner reasonable fees for the impoundment and storage of property impounded pursuant to this section.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Dec 12, 2017 - 01:41pm PT
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I couldn't help my snarky comment above.....but in all sincerity I hope the rope is recovered and returned as soon as possible. That's just not as fun of an internet response. More often than not I've seen members of the climbing tribe step up and enjoy the process of returning lost "booty".
Good luck and nice work on doing the route on a short winter day without getting benighted!
Scott
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Dec 12, 2017 - 01:55pm PT
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Well said Mooch! God forbid we try to do something nice for someone else. Hope yer friend gets it back. If no one asks...booty. If someone asks, if I can I help.
Peace
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Dec 12, 2017 - 02:26pm PT
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According to Walt, if you rap this route, you didn’t complete it.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 12, 2017 - 02:33pm PT
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That's true Zip. The pine needle pitch to the top is the crux of the route.
It's also true that if I leave gear on a route, I have no great expectation of getting it back, unless its fixed for a wall or working the route or some such. Leaving your name on the gear seems a reasonable way to protect it, but requesting in the same note that someone bring it down for you and return it to you is kind of weak. Go back up and get it if you want it. On the other hand, I am all for good Samaritan's, and think that behavior is admirable is someone is wiling to do it, but it certainly should not be expected, or the bootying of left gear condemned as that is an age old tradition of climbing.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 12, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
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Rappel 3-4 [anchor (4) in this topo] is the one I figured for a hangup risk - you are over to the side of some blocks.
Good thing they had a second rope.
Even better would be to keep the second rope in a pack and rap with just one.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Dec 12, 2017 - 03:20pm PT
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Here is a comment on the route page on Mtn Project from October:
LOST A ROPE? A friend asked me to post this as he has no data in the valley: Hello newly rope-less person. Sucks to be bad at rappels. We all make mistakes but I do believe I have joined a very exclusive club of people who have bootied an entire rope on their climb. If you lost your rope and want it back. Text me...
People do kind act like that. I'm optimistic many climbers would return the rope if they retrieved a rope with contact information attached. To the OP, I wish your friend good luck.
I had my rope stuck on that rappel as well, probably on the same pitch. I climbed back up to free it. Not too hard of a climb. (Edit: I was wrong earlier. We did have two ropes, so we did way fewer [than 21] rappels. Regardless, I wasn't going to abandon a climbing rope that easy.)
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 12, 2017 - 03:33pm PT
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Years back I was once hanging out in those pools near the Arches base after climbing on a hot day with a climbing friend. We almost came to blows over a pair of Fires that someone had left there. He grabbed them, noted they were his size and said "Score". I said: "Those aren't yours" and it went from there.
He repeatedly noted that if he left them there the next person to see them would take them anyway. We finally compromised by walking together to the Camp 4 board and putting up a "found" note indicating where they could be recovered.
In the end, the person did not contact my friend, and to verify I did check that the note was still there 2 days later just in case. We didn't climb together after that, both of us most likely noting how big an as#@&%e the other was I suspect.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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Dec 12, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
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BOOTY
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 12, 2017 - 04:16pm PT
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I suppose it never occurred to some here, either mentally, or as an actual experience, that abandoning a stuck rappel rope might be necessary in order to reach the ground before dark.
I'm sure that some hotshots can even downclimb the RA descent in the dark, without a headlamp. But, the RA is often the first big Yosemite climb that intermediate climbers attempt. How is it, that certain hotshots can't remember when they, too, were n00bs, flailing on 5.6 and Gumbying-up the descent?
Fearless Leader has a callous disregard for others, and his sociopathy seems to be increasingly contagious to the rest of the nation. SAD!
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cleo
Social climber
wherever you go, there you are
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Dec 12, 2017 - 04:47pm PT
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I found an entire rack of cams at the base of Swan Slabs, with nobody around and with darkness setting in.
I left a note under a rock in case anybody came back for them.
Turns out the rack belonged to a guide whose client "forgot" the cams, and he was quite grateful to get them back.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Dec 12, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
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I'm with Mooch on this and some of the replies remind me of how many wankers there are on ST......
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