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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 15, 2018 - 11:23am PT
I refuse to participate in the 'you will know them by their hat' declarations. I don't need to declare I am for or against anyone, ever. I don't need any of yalls' approval and I don't want to be in your gang. I am a voter and I am independent. My opinions are mine and my votes are my business and my business only. I know by definition that makes me politically incorrect. Good! It's a cross I am willing to bear.

Something to think about: What party supports your position? Certainly not the current administration, where the boss can call in subordinates, and order then to reveal how they voted. If you are a gov't employee, that is what you are now subject to.

I suppose the next iteration will be a voting machine that gives you a receipt that tells you how you voted----and your employer will determine if you continue to work there, based upon that, after he has let you know how to vote before you go.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 15, 2018 - 11:30am PT
Guns protect your money at the bank BTW. Somehow, that's more important than children.

Actually, no. At my bank, Wells Fargo, there is no one with a gun.

I know you gush at the thought of armed officers of the State on every corner, with their automatic weapons and grenades.

After all, that's what we citizens need guns to fight!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 15, 2018 - 11:52am PT
somebody in a mask has been using a gun around my town to remove money from banks...

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 16, 2018 - 07:41am PT
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Feb 16, 2018 - 07:44am PT
xCon:
According to a report from the Anti-Defamation League, white supremacists and other far-right groups made up the bulk of extremism-related deaths in 2017. Meanwhile, Muslim extremists were only responsible for 26 percent of these deaths.

But even as this kind of dangerous white supremacist bigotry persists in the United States, President Donald Trump's administration has slashed funding meant to combat white supremacist extremism.
xCon, what is your time horizon?
Are you concerned about next 5 months or next 50 years?

If you care only about immediate future your main concern should be "white supremacists and other far-right groups".
If you are concerned about a country that your children will inherit, you should be more concerned about "Muslim extremists" and other threats from people with different culture/values.

It looks like this is also one of the main differences between Trump and progressive liberals.
Trump is looking further into the future than shortsighted progressives.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 16, 2018 - 07:57am PT
According to a report from the Anti-Defamation League, white supremacists and other far-right groups made up the bulk of extremism-related deaths in 2017.

White supremacists were directly responsible for 18 of the total 34 extremist-related murders in 2017, according to the new ADL report

There were a total of 17,250 reported murder and non-negligent manslaughter cases in the U.S. in 2016.

Assuming 2017 is similar to 2016, extremism related deaths account for 0.2 percent of the total number of murders and manslaughters. White supremacists were directly responsible for 0.1 percent of the total.

Moving on...
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