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Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:00pm PT

The Clintons did not lie 2000 times in their first year

so it's going to be the "what about Hillary" defense for all questions?
so lame

The new Godwin's law is;
The first person that brings up the Clintons loses

You lost

I can care less about what the Clintons did, but I do care about the lies you guys repeat about them, it makes you liars
It's pathetic

Ballo

Trad climber

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:04pm PT

Oh, I lost by the rules you just made up?

The point of my post, since it went over your head, is you have no principles. You're just whining about sh#t that doesn't affect you.

The first image shows Bill Clinton when he lied about a bunch of bullshit I didn't care about, but somehow this lie doesn't fall under your rule of "Because your president is a Liar and will have to step down" (funny how you also labeled him *my* President as if he isn't either OUR President or neither yours nor mine since neither of us voted for him).

The second image shows Hillary Clinton, supposedly the MUCH better POTUS choice, saying "What difference does it make?!"

dirtbag

climber

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:13pm PT

The whataboutisms are a fool’s trap. It’s not worth playing along.

Keep your eyes on the prize, the man with the power now.

Ballo

Trad climber

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:17pm PT

the man with the power

Who is the man with the power? Politicians don't even draft legislation in this country; lobbyists do. They don't run the country; the service sector does. They don't interpret the law, either.

The most important person you'll ever vote for is your local Sheriff.

Lennox

climber

in the land of the blind

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:21pm PT

Gary

Social climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:24pm PT

I have realized that liberals do not want anybody to have more money than what they deem necessary for that individual to have.

Jody, you got that backwards. The plutocrats running this country want you to have no more than is necessary for you to serve their purposes. As a matter of fact, they like it when the government subsidizes their employees for them, like Walmart, for instance.

I can't figure out why Americans think that it is OK for someone who works 40 hour weeks to need food stamps and section 8 housing to survive.

And for those wondering, Jody contributed about 8% of his pay towards his retirement.

Lennox

climber

in the land of the blind

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:32pm PT

dirtbag

climber

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:35pm PT

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:17pm PT
the man with the power

Who is the man with the power? Politicians don't even draft legislation in this country; lobbyists do. They don't run the country; the service sector does. They don't interpret the law, either.

The most important person you'll ever vote for is your local Sheriff.

Silly.

Gary

Social climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:35pm PT

The most important person you'll ever vote for is your local Sheriff.

Because only the local sheriff has any constitutional power?
https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/countysheriff

Today, under a national emergency the Sheriff is both the first and last line of defense should our government go rouge;

Interesting. What if the government goes orange?

John M

climber

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:41pm PT

I have realized that liberals do not want anybody to have more money than what they deem necessary for that individual to have. Kingslut and splatter and others have demonstrated that ONLY the government knows how to spend my money for charitable purposes and they resent the fact I think I can do more good for humanity by having the government take less of it.

Unbelievable the childish jealousy they are showing. Embarrassing really.

aw Jody.. I don't know why you come to these conclusions, except you have judged liberals falsely.

Liberals don't care if you have money. They want money too. The reason that they want government to be involved in helping people is because they do not trust every person to give liberally. Your argument that you could do it better as an individual is the same argument that those people who oppose social security use. They say that they can invest their money better then the government can. They ignore the hard truth that most people could not and would not be disciplined enough to invest and save for their retirement. So if we did away with social security, then people would starve. The same would be true if we as a people stopped funding such programs as food stamps. People would starve. Because while you may be generous, most people either aren't or are not disciplined enough to save enough money to be able to donate on a regular basis.

The basis of this truth is easy to see on the taco. Popular people who are well know have come here needing money for health reasons, and they raise a decent amount of money. Less known people, or people who are shy about interacting with others have shown up and raised much less money. These people often end up doing without the help that they need. The givers are the same group of people. The need is just as great, but the outcome is much different.

Liberals want to try to balance that outcome.

Does their effort go too far at times and become out of balance?

Yes of course.

Just as many of the important things that conservatives hold dear, such as security, also get out of balance.

I believe that you have said in the past that you would not mind cutting the military. So perhaps you can see what I mean when I say that conservatives desires also get out of balance. Should we just give everyone their money back and let each individual decide how to spend their money on security and defense? Of course not. The collective can do it better as a whole. Liberals believe this about social concerns.

Edit: Even capitalism supports this understanding. Mass production reduces costs and produces more outcome. Sometimes mass production produces some poor outcomes and individuals can do it better, but on the whole mass production produces more good for everyone.

Ballo

Trad climber

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:49pm PT

Interesting. What if the government goes orange?

I'm not even sure what this means. Trump is one man who probably garnered most of his support simply by not being Hillary.

Cragar

climber

MSLA - MT

Jan 26, 2018 - 02:57pm PT

The whataboutisms are a fool’s trap. It’s not worth playing along.

Keep your eyes on the prize, the man with the power now.

The CA home turf of the MAGA man are lit up on Hillery on my FB. Quite a few have posted something crooked about what Hillery is said to have done. This has essentially been going on since the news was broke that Mueller would question the MAGA man. Bako is essentially a fool's trap...

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Jan 26, 2018 - 10:08pm PT

aw Jody.. I don't know why you come to these conclusions, except you have judged liberals falsely.

come on John. You should have figured out by now that jody, like most conservatives, is paranoid. they are always afraid of their short comings, so they have to blame it on someone else.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 26, 2018 - 10:21pm PT

U.S. economic growth slowed in 2017’s fourth quarter, missing Trump’s targets

This has important implications for conservatives. They have bet the economic stability of the US on the concept that we will grow our way out of our deficit. Guys like John E. told us, and signed public letters of support, that the economic growth rate will be in the 4-6 percent, which will be necessary to pay the way.

the liberal economists said it would not happen, and the country would be saddled with more debt, and potentially pushed into a recession.

Watch out!

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 26, 2018 - 10:22pm PT

A mostly benign report on the U.S. economy does have one big red flag

The savings rate has been this low only one other time in history, when the popularity of home-equity lines of credit soared in 2005, at the peak of the housing boom.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 26, 2018 - 10:26pm PT

Will RNC return Steve Wynn’s donations after calling on DNC to return Harvey Weinstein’s?

The bombshell report sent shares of Wynn resort tumbling more than 10% and the company’s board said it was forming a special committee to investigate the allegations.

The article also shined a harsh spotlight on the Republican Party.

A top GOP donor and close friend of President Trump, Wynn is the chair of the Republican National Committee’s Finance Committee.

The Las Vegas icon’s 2005 encounter with the manicurist led to a $7.5 million payoff, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The incident was one of several sickening episodes described by more than 150 current or former Wynn employees.

Splater

climber

Grey Matter

Jan 26, 2018 - 11:18pm PT

"Will RNC return Steve Wynn’s donations after calling on DNC to return Harvey Weinstein’s?"

What would you expect from the Repo-hypocrit party?

They will claim Clinton forced Wynn to do it.

Bruce Morris

Trad climber

Soulsbyville, California

Jan 26, 2018 - 11:33pm PT

CHP has pretty good benefits funded by the taxpayers of Cali. Odd, when members of a public employee union with excellent medical and retirement benefits attack the government that pays them. Sort of like members of the Prison Guards Union who voted for DT. Are cops and prison guards the only ones entitled to "Rockin' Chair Money"? I hear where Governor Brown is going to nail those prison guards pretty soon. Make them work till they're 57. Rough life. Maybe CHP officers should patrol the freeways till they're 70? You want to get some value out of those cheap SOBs.

John M

climber

Jan 27, 2018 - 08:32am PT

A lot of jobs are dangerous and have their difficulties. See how many guys who do construction have messed up backs. Try living in old age with a messed up back. Try earning a living with a messed up back. Oh.. and plenty of construction workers die on the job. So its dangerous also. I had a backhoe rock 3 inches and it split my helmet, knocking me out cold and wrecking my neck. No benefits for me.

I know.. I know.. you will say thats my fault that I took a job without benefits.

But not everyone can get a job with benefits because not every job comes with benefits because... and thats the rub. Why don't they have benefits? Why did you get benefits? Do you even know? I'm betting that you just blow by that one without even acknowledging the reasons you have what you have.

Edit: You have a serious problem with acknowledging the past and the things that helped get you what you have. Like a caring public that wanted its workers to have a decent life. And would like all workers to have a decent life. But you don't give a sh#t about that. You got yours and now you want to keep others from getting theirs by doing away with things like unions, which helped you get what you have. Ungrateful is the word that comes to mind.