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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 7, 2017 - 11:38am PT
That's a sticking point for me.

Do we pursue Destiny?

Or does Destiny pursue us?

It might be a bit presumptuous to say it is manifested.

I prefer, by and large, fate, fickle or otherwise.

Fate has that ring of superstition, brought about by the fact that the Fates were a myth.

A destined nation, that's America.

Trump would have us believe we are destined for greatness.

American history will then be spoken of in the future in terms of the Trump Era, which is already happening in the media.

It's nice to have one's own era.

Wm. Henry Harrison's era lasted about a month.

Here's to an attenuated Trump Era.

Please give my apologies to Mr. JB Briggs.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:17pm PT
At what cost, Jody? That's not winning, not a bit.
Once something is gone, sacrificed on the altar of greed, it's gone.
The bottom line is not the end all, but then life is not really meaningful.
We are all just atoms constantly bumping into each other.
Do not argue. I'm right, you're being a clown puppet.

Dishing up some fate.
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We were destined to be each other's fate:
Two dangerous strangers in the Paradise of America.

Jody, I'm baiting you. Don't take it so hard. I like your photographs. I don't like your ideas. You can go ahead and say the same about me. In fact, I don't care if you don't like my photographs.
Rexi

climber
Dec 20, 2017 - 04:30pm PT
I have never written anything about politics on a forum..

But i´m just lost with words. As a professional i´m constantly aiming towards evidence baced practice. And how mr T cherry picks data and uses "fake media" to stay away from everything that doesn´t suit him...ahh. i could go on and on... How debating with reason doesn´t seem to get us anywhere but slogans, arrogance and bullying wins..

It´s just all over. everything..

As a guy from the nordic countries, our connection with USA has been good and with mutual respect for ages. Today Nikki Haley posted a letter to our government, notifying that Mr T will be paying close attention to all votes tomorrow from the allies of the US..... and then Mr Ts statement today.. What??? What kind of dictatorship tantrum is going on??

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 20, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
It's much much bigger than Trump.

The liberal orthodoxy of the last 50 years is collapsing under the weight of its own gathering irrelevance, unworkability, and insufferable arrogance--and it is not pretty.

American liberalism has progressed from a mob of spoiled pseudo intellectual counterculture radicals ,to a politically correct legion of federal deep state bureaucrats, to a disaffected gaggle of nattering nabobs of negativism and big government control freaks-- constantly bootstrapped by fake news propagandists.

And finally to a whining bunch of losers who think a billionaire developer/reality show host has done something unforgivable by kicking their collective asses.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 20, 2017 - 06:50pm PT

gloating after the goon rich people used to buy off the opposition to robber barrons stood down when the robber barrons went for the nations throat

The above can be said to hardly even rise to the level of rent-a-mob speak.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Dec 20, 2017 - 06:57pm PT
Ya
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 20, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
•Private payrolls increased by 190,000 in November, ahead of analyst expectations of 185,000

•Manufacturing had its best month of the year with 40,000 new jobs. Service-oriented industries grew by 155,000.

•Moody's economist Mark Zandi says the jobs market is "red-hot".

If this is true, WHY would it be necessary to pass a massive tax bill "to improve the economy?"

Isn't changing a winning strategy very likely to produce a less robust outcome? I remember when interest rates were >20%
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 20, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
WHY would it be necessary to pass a massive tax bill "to improve the economy?"

Ignoring the debate about whether the tax bill is necessary why wouldn't
anybody want a better economy unless they're a butthurt libtard nihilist
hoping for anything negative which could hasten Trump's departure? The
recovery from the last recession has been steady but unspectacular. Were
the economy to pick up another half point then the long stagnant wage
picture could conceivably benefit a lot of people.
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Dec 20, 2017 - 09:24pm PT
Cosmic what exactly do you think is better? What do you stand to gain from the tax bill? maybe a bit for a few years, but you'll pay for it in many other ways. The expanding economy? More low wage jobs-and like Mouse said, at what cost? At the cost of clean air and water, of legitimate decisions based on sound science... i could go on and on. It's a scam.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Dec 20, 2017 - 09:27pm PT
He wins, you lose.
zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 20, 2017 - 09:32pm PT
I would venture that most everybody wants a "better" economy.

Trump claims that the tax bill will provide it.

Many, many beautiful, beautiful economically inclined analysts disagree.

Let's all check in next year and see what's gone down.


Re-tread discredited trickle down leaves us with what ?

Retards v Litards

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 20, 2017 - 09:46pm PT
Reilly! RE your thoughts on Trump & the Repubican Congress adding another 1.5 Trillion dollars (equals about $4,600.00 per American) to our National debt, to give the rich a tax break:

Ignoring the debate about whether the tax bill is necessary why wouldn't
anybody want a better economy unless they're a butthurt libtard nihilist
hoping for anything negative which could hasten Trump's departure? The
recovery from the last recession has been steady but unspectacular. Were
the economy to pick up another half point then the long stagnant wage
picture could conceivably benefit a lot of people.

The major U.S. tax indexes were down yesterday & today, which is proof of the old Wall Street saying: "Buy on the rumor, sell on the news."

The Trump tax-fuking of middle class America has been "priced-in" by the smart folks on Wall Street for months.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Dec 20, 2017 - 09:54pm PT
WHY would it be necessary to pass a massive tax bill "to improve the economy?"


The tax bill was sponsored by corporations and very wealthy people, who paid for the lobbyists, Senators and Congressmen. The official GOP smokescreen is to pretend that the tax cuts will benefit the middle class. The reality is that corporations and wealthy people will be the primary beneficiaries of the new tax bill. Most non-wealthy people will see meager reductions in their tax bills, if that; some can expect their taxes to actually increase under the new bill. Also, the tax breaks, if any, for people are temporary (corporate tax breaks are permanent, or at least until a new tax bill is passed when Democrats control Congress and the White House in 2020).


The GOP is still flogging the trickle-down dementhesis (it's not a theory - it's a demented hypothesis) and saying that the corporations will use their tax savings to pay higher wages, and create jobs. The repatriated money that is currently stashed in offshore accounts, they say, will also be used in the same way. Nobody who is paying attention thinks that is going to happen. The corporations will use the tax break to benefit themselves and their shareholders, not their workers. The ultra-wealthy people are not going to stop being money addicts, just because their taxes have gone down. If anything, the new tax bill increase their addiction to money.


The last time there was a tax holiday for corporations' offshore money, in 2004, about 80% was used for stock buy-backs by the companies. This time, with stock prices at all-time highs, corporations are, instead, expected to pay down debt that they incurred as a result of not having cheap access to their offshore money. Again, the benefits of the tax cuts will go the shareholders, and to pay for obscene executive bonuses for "doing such a good job at reducing corporate taxes".



Corporations are seeing record profits right now, but they aren't paying higher wages. Even with the competitive pressure of low unemployment, American wages are flat, or decreasing.

Adjusting for inflation, the productivity of American workers has risen exponentially since the 1970s, but wages have remained flat, or have even decreased since then. The difference between productivity and wages is profit, and that has directly led to all-time highs in the stock market. The stock market overwhelmingly benefits the wealthy, and they and the corporations have used some of those profits to buy political power to further increase their profits, and further increase their political power, and so forth, in a positive feedback loop malfeasance cycle.

Today's American business climate is all about increasing the wealth gap, not closing it. The GOP tax bill will increase, not decrease, that gap. It will further increase the ability of wealthy people and corporations to spend even more money, in order to get even more legislation passed that benefits them at the expense of the public.


This will go on until the disproportionate influence of big money in politics comes to an end.

And, good luck with that, millennials.



Majority of US corporations don't intend to use tax savings to increase wages or create jobs.


Corporations expected to use repatriated offshore money to pay down corporate debt, not increase wages or jobs.


Very few corporations intend to use tax savings to invest in their businesses. They don't need money, but they'll take it, anyway.




A surprise denouement of the Trump and GOP power grab for the very wealthy may be that disaffected and disenfranchised Republican voters may, finally, see the GOP for what it really stands for, and who it really benefits, and they will vote Democrats into office. The anti-Trump, anti-GOP backlash has already started, and it will only accelerate because the Republicans are not just tone-deaf, they are completely deaf to the needs of their voter base.

Hopefully, Trump & Co. will fatally injure the GOP with their 1%-centric agenda, and after the GOP becomes irrelevant and obsolete, and dies, the American public will loudly declare,

NEVER AGAIN!


And they will build a Democaust Memorial in Washington D.C. to remind people in the future of what can happen when evil is allowed to take control and run amok.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Dec 21, 2017 - 02:50am PT
Now they can start drilling in the ANWR. Yeehaw.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Dec 21, 2017 - 06:35am PT
I agree that Trump won this battle.

But he will lose the war. Trump has ignited a grassroots backlash that will finally put the last nail in the GOP's coffin.

Stand the f*#k by for the obliteration of the GOP.
originalpmac

Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
Dec 21, 2017 - 07:36am PT
Man I hate to be vindictive buuuut a couple of you guys are dovchebags! And one of you is a pig. The level of gloating is disgusting. Reilly seems to be the only voice of reason from the republican side, from what I can tell. At least he applies some logic, something lacking from some of you savages.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Dec 21, 2017 - 07:40am PT
I walked by this car the other day. My normal response would be that I'm glad this person has the right to voice their beliefs in public without the fear of retribution.

Not so this time because I now assume this person is a supporter of Thrump, Fox News and a growing number if Republicans conspirators working to consolidate power for the Presidency and circumvent our constitution.

My brother- the retired Army Cobra Pilot, My Dad- the decorated Navy SEAL, my father-in-law- the veteran Naval carrier pilot are all shocked by this Presidency and his collaborators.

My son's and family are prepared to hit the streets if Rosenberg or Muller or fired.


10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Dec 21, 2017 - 07:50am PT
But he will lose the war. Trump has ignited a grassroots backlash that will finally put the last nail in the GOP's coffin.

I heard trump say that he would go out and campaign for GOP candidates in the midterms.
I would venture to guess that those are safe seats.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 21, 2017 - 08:00am PT
I got a Christmas card from my congressman Dana Rohrabacher. That's a first. He must be running scared.
zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 21, 2017 - 08:01am PT
**

Opioids now kill more people than breast cancer


http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/21/health/drug-overdoses-2016-final-numbers/index.html

The states with the highest rates of overdose in 2016 were West Virginia, Ohio and New Hampshire, the report said. The rate of overdose in West Virginia was over 2.5 times the national average of 19.8 overdose deaths for every 100,000 people.

Trump won two out of the three. Draw your own conclusions, but bear in mind that:

Donald Trump easily won West Virginia with 68.7% of the vote, giving him his largest margin of victory in the country.
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