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Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2017 - 01:56am PT
Don't really know if the family is the same as your old flame's from Atwater.

Yeah, neither do I. I always thought Trevino was Italian in origin. Doesn't matter. Once you are an American, it is difficult going back, hah hah

That said, Donald Trump makes me wish like I was from Mars. The guy is a total jerk off, but he has fooled enough people. How do these ass wipes get away with it? He screws companies, he screws contractors and sub-contractors. He screws suppliers, he screws his own shareholders. He screws the United States of America ("I am smart, I do not pay taxes"). He boasts about sexually assaulting women ("grab them by the pussy".*)

And he gets away with it. He is not as dumb as he looks apparently.

He has used Chinese steel in his projects in the US, he and his daughter use "slave" labour to produce their goods (ties and such) in foreign countries, not the good ole USA. He has cheated so many people, if all the many (thousands?) of lawsuits claim, and he comes out smelling like an orange blossom.

The guy is an idiot, I see him as an idiot savant. But his money buys him good lawyers, and we all know, a good lawyer can work wonders, as well as good accountants.

Sad but true. He seems to love screwing people. Next for a butt ream (apologies for the vulgarity)? Sheep and the CHP guy who supported Cruz, and the neo-Nazi guy whose parents fled Germany to avoid prosecution. He will try and screw them too. Hey SAR guy, your beloved POTUS. just embraced your hated Israel.

Which leaves me to a sort of conundrum. If Trump hates "niggers" and Muslims, like many of his base apparently (Make America White Again), how does his embracing the Israeli state sit with his anti-Jew supporters? Where does one reconcile this stuff? Weird.

Totally weird.

Go figure.

* And after he acknowledges he said "grab them by the pussy", and half-heartedly apologizing, now he claims he never said those words. It was fake news. The fake news (read MSM) that faked that tape (which he had already claimed was his voice, but now crawling back into his rat hole).

Yes, this forum needs to have threads such as this, whether I start them or somebody else does. At this point, it is no longer about climbing.

How can you turn a blind eye? For me, it is easy, I live in another country, and will be getting dual citizenship, so Trumps' domestic disasters will have little effect (and affect, I know the difference) upon me.

But I pity those who will be affected. And I worry about the US environment. In part, I worry for most Supertopians. Enjoy your tax sunset.

I do worry. The USA is my country of birth and my many forefathers and foremothers. The damage that Trump and his cohort are doing will take a generation, if not more, to correct.

Just watch and see. For those of my age (61, but a spry 101 is my goal, why not, I live sensibly, sort of), us baby boomers, we will live to see the Trump disaster, but what about down the road and the long-term?

Will your grandchildren be happy, and safe? Will they breathe fresh air, walk on clean beaches, wander in pristine hills?

Will they have that chance? Do you care about your children and their kids?

TRUMP MAY "WIN", BUT YOU WILL LOSE. Just wait and see.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Dec 7, 2017 - 04:08am PT


Trump is only "winning" in the sense that Charlie Sheen was #winning! a few years ago, except that Trump is drunk on power, not cocaine.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 06:13am PT
He seems like a miserable sob to me. I can’t imagine he likes any of this very much.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 7, 2017 - 06:51am PT
http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-karen-pence-vile-reprehensible-donald-trump-access-hollywood-sexual-735181
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Dec 7, 2017 - 07:07am PT
Patrick: Did we kill the 'red man' as we crossed the plains? I do not know.

Sure you do. It might simply be too painful to admit it.

Every culture has its own mythological archetype that it thinks it embodies. The U.S.’s might be democratic freedom, enterprise, and the rugged individualist. But, was it ever that way?

Honore de Balzac purportedly claimed, “behind every great fortune there is a crime.”

Recently, the irishman, pop star Bono was interviewed by a member of the Good Morning Football show on the NFL Network cable channel and said that America is the greatest invention of all time.

Every myth / image that’s held dear appears to have at least two sides to it. (1) The myth / image is an illusion. It just doesn’t really exist in practice—only in theory. (2) Images / myths are symbolic (non-verbal) expressions from a transcendent center of Man. They arise from the unconscious of individuals, from the experiences / histories of cultures, and from the species.

When we are young, we are idealistic and romantic. Toward our middle years, we see things a bit more comically and tragically. In our older age, we may finally come to understand and even embrace irony.

Be well.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2017 - 10:08am PT
MikeL, I suppose you are right in that my familial predecessors probably did participate in some atrocities as they pursued Manifest Destiny.


And I hate ironing. I will never embrace it.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 7, 2017 - 11:38am PT
That's a sticking point for me.

Do we pursue Destiny?

Or does Destiny pursue us?

It might be a bit presumptuous to say it is manifested.

I prefer, by and large, fate, fickle or otherwise.

Fate has that ring of superstition, brought about by the fact that the Fates were a myth.

A destined nation, that's America.

Trump would have us believe we are destined for greatness.

American history will then be spoken of in the future in terms of the Trump Era, which is already happening in the media.

It's nice to have one's own era.

Wm. Henry Harrison's era lasted about a month.

Here's to an attenuated Trump Era.

Please give my apologies to Mr. JB Briggs.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:14pm PT
•Private payrolls increased by 190,000 in November, ahead of analyst expectations of 185,000

•Manufacturing had its best month of the year with 40,000 new jobs. Service-oriented industries grew by 155,000.

•Moody's economist Mark Zandi says the jobs market is "red-hot".


Souce: MSNBC


Yeah, Trump is winning for sure!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:17pm PT
At what cost, Jody? That's not winning, not a bit.
Once something is gone, sacrificed on the altar of greed, it's gone.
The bottom line is not the end all, but then life is not really meaningful.
We are all just atoms constantly bumping into each other.
Do not argue. I'm right, you're being a clown puppet.

Dishing up some fate.

We were destined to be each other's fate:
Two dangerous strangers in the Paradise of America.

Jody, I'm baiting you. Don't take it so hard. I like your photographs. I don't like your ideas. You can go ahead and say the same about me. In fact, I don't care if you don't like my photographs.
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