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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Yvon will never add 228,000 jobs to the economy in one month.
Nor will Donald.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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YC deserves whatever he has. He clearly has done what he could to promote and preserve the environment.
I happened to attend a Patagonia film festival a few months ago, and it is remarkable the things that they've gotten into (including making the films)
I'm astonished that he could be criticized for creating a secondary market for trashed plastic bottles, supporting the recycling of them by creating a value. That still amazes me.
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Don Lauria
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Chouinard yea! Trump nay!
I've watched YC grow from a backyard self-taught blacksmith to a highly successful purveyor of quality recreational sportswear. Because I've known Yvon, as TM Herbert would say, "Since he was a tiny little baby", I can say, yes, he's a businessman - a businessman with a sincere and active disposition toward preserving the environmental well-being of the planet.
Yvon's got my vote - Trump didn't and never will.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Protecting the environment isn't an either/or proposition. It's a spectrum. This goes back over 100 years to the ideas of conservation (take good care of it) vs. preservation (you can't even visit it).
Environmentalists (which is: one concerned about environmental quality especially of the human environment with respect to the control of pollution, note: they are NOT left wing Earth First radicals as the right wing media has led many people to believe) care about the environment and want to protect it.
If you want to see what it's like when people in government prioritize business too much over the environment go to parts of China. Air pollution so bad you need to wear a mask. Polluted drinking water, etc.
It's amazing to me that climbers and other people who see the beauty and value of the environment have so little regard for protecting it for themselves and future generations.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Yvon will never add 228,000 jobs to the economy in one month.
but Obama did
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Everybody hates a winner.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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holding obvious ill-feelings toward the consumers who choose to purchase Patagonia products
I'm not sure where this observation comes from DMT? I've not seen that, myself. Could you give an example or a URL? Not trolling you.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oh! I thought you were posting about YC's attitude towards his customers, which made no sense to me. Now I get it.
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c wilmot
climber
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Dmt you are confused. It's sarcastic criticism- not "I'll feelings toward the consumers"
The only "ill feelings" I have towards Patagonia consumers is that they mistakingly think that buying Patagonia goods somehow helps the environment.
They are also clearly delusional as well in the sense that most flat out refuse to accept the fact that Patagonia is selling fossil fuels in the form of garments.
Making good products, being a nice guy, and giving back does not negate the environmental costs associated with running the Patagonia corporation..,
It is what it is.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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wilmot...isn't the clothing from re-cycled plastic.. ?
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c wilmot
climber
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It's not "recycled" if it winds up in the ocean and waterways as a result of micro particles being lost during washing. It's being found to be a massive problem.
And I seriously doubt Patagonia and the rest of the companies manufacturing these products had no idea of this form of pollution
It's taking a problem and making a new form of a problem under the guise of environmentalism...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Patagonia first offered fleece made from recycled plastic soda bottles in 1993. Another thing to keep in mind is the durability of Patagonia clothing. If you replace a garment less often isn’t that a good thing for the environment?
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c wilmot
climber
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Patagonia is taking the problem of microfibers shedding from synthetic materials seriously—committing significant resources to learn more about the scope of the problem and develop an understanding of what steps we can take to help create impactful solutions.
I seriously doubt they need to "learn" about a problem directly related to the products they produce. The idea that no one in their company knew- when they develop these plastics- is absurd
I understand that's part of running a business- but they should drop the holier than thou attitude.
Can you really be part of the solution if you are also part of the problem?
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Wilmot, I buy Patagonia because the products I own last a damn long time, means I save money on rebuying and that in turn means less product production which in turn means less resources being used to make something I have to buy if it falls apart. I also buy Patagonia because of the fact they have always backed up their product. Any warranty or whinning I do, they make it right. They are loyal to me so I in turn am loyal to them. I am not exclusive to Patagonia, but the companies I do buy clothing from tend to all give back in some way to the earth which I hold dear to my heart. I for one don't buy based off one dimension.
Anyone ID this item? Got it in the late 70's, still wear it, no holes, seam issues...solid.
Peace
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Every patagonia product I've purchased (since 1981) I still have and use.
I might look a little silly at times but I don't do "selfies" anyway so wtf.
Good stuff and a business model that I challenge anyone to better.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Totally agree Deli!
Peace
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I have one of the first fleece vest they made(1979).
Wilmot, do you have a car?
Do you live on the grid?
Do you buy food?
Do you use paper products?
If you do, you are part of the problem.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Thanks for posting, Malemute! I've been waiting for the washing bag to become available, and just back ordered two.
Note they are being sold at cost.
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