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Roughster

Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
Dec 7, 2017 - 07:09am PT
Great post Splater.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Dec 7, 2017 - 08:16am PT
Splater! This is so right on. I've been really bothered by the Social Security cutoff for a long time. So the overwhelming majority of us who make less than the $116k/year pay to SS on 100% of our income for our entire earning lives. It seems that merely eliminating that loophole--and locking the SS fund away from grubbing legislators' hands--would solve that problem immediately.

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the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Dec 7, 2017 - 09:05am PT
You can't reason with someone who needs to believe a specific right wing or left wing ideology. They will always twist things around in their head so they can continue to believe what they need to believe.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 7, 2017 - 09:13am PT
It seems that merely eliminating that loophole--and locking the SS fund away from grubbing legislators' hands--would solve that problem immediately.

Uh, if only it were that simple. My friends who are working with the acknowledged doyen of SS, Peter Diamond, on a major paper told me a few weeks ago that SS is fine, probably until 2025-2030. After that some Ďissuesí need to be addressed. Some of those could be tackled now but either that isnít likely or we wouldnít want to see the results.

yer welcome
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Dec 7, 2017 - 10:40am PT
I have worked and lived in France. Have you Reilly? Oh yes, you have lived and worked every place.

Reilly, it just appears by many of your posts that you are never wrong, that you know anybody who is everybody, and that you can skateboard down El Cap.

I wonder if you have ever said: "I was wrong." Or, "I made a mistake."

I have made a lot of mistakes in my life, I just only hope I have learned from them.

As the father (the late Phil Keane, a damn good man) of a previous love (Marie) told me when I said I made mistakes: "Patrick, a man who says he has never made a mistake, has never made anything."
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2017 - 11:37am PT
Talked to my accountant for my business last night and basically got the "you're screwed" speech unless things change in the final version of this bill.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 7, 2017 - 11:55am PT
Class envy run amok.

Are any of you folks for a flat tax?

John M

climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:03pm PT
Are any of you folks for a flat tax?

Nope.. because I believe that to whom much is given, much is required.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:07pm PT
So anybody with money...it was just "given" to them? Nobody worked for their riches?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:09pm PT
Can you just stop with the third grade trolling? It's pathetic.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
Maybe I should drop my posts to 2nd grade level so you could understand?
John M

climber
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:16pm PT
Its a bible verse Jody.. no.. I do not mean literally "given" money. Its about talents and the ability to create more. If you are gifted with the ability to create big things, including businesses, then you have a greater responsibility what you do with that gift. Including earning money and what you do it.

I believe you know what I meant. You are just being contrary.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:20pm PT
John, you are correct. But it is up to them what they do with it and they will answer for their generosity(or lack thereof). It is NOT up to the government to forcibly take from them and do what the government wants.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:23pm PT
Jody, do you understand that it was up to Genghis Khan to "do with it what he pleased"? Do you think that these Alger-ian self made people got there because they have great morals?

Meh, forget the troll: Jody is not much of a historian apparently. I'm shocked.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 7, 2017 - 12:24pm PT
According to this calculator, which is a blunt instrument of course, my taxes will go up.

I don't complain about my tax burden. Its mine and I shoulder it as best I can. I've been very fortunate to live in the place and time that I do, and blessed with some luck too.

With trillions of debt I don't think any of you or us or them are due any tax cut, at all. But that's just my opinion.

Cheers
DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 8, 2017 - 11:49am PT
Paddy, I hope you realize how Trumpish you sound attacking the messenger rather than the message. I canít help it if Iím usually right. Itís a burden, to be sure. Since I get most of my info from the LA Times, Reuters, BBC, and The Economist I donít lose a lot of sleep over being right.

As for France, I would wager Iíve spent more time there than you in the last decade. I also spent a lot of time this summer with an American who has lived there for 35 years.

I make a real effort to cut you some slack but you donít seem to play well with others. I gave you solid beta on yer Mt Rainer (sic) thread and at the end you called me a jerk. I put it down as more of the typical bad reading comprehension endemic here. Show me where I said anything about you in that thread.
frostback

Social climber
great white north
Dec 8, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
Jody,
No one decries your service as an LEO, your calling is an integral part of maintaining civility, but I fear you spent too much time dealing with deplorables at the bottom end of the socio-economic spectrum and this clouds your view of those at the top. Sure those vaunted high net worth individuals may not commit rote crimes of property, or endangerment, but economic crimes are often more complex in both planning and execution. I am sure it comes as no surprise to you that financial crimes tend to be non-obvious" and there simply aren't enough resources devoted to catching folks whose crimes generate every bit as much misery as say a drug dealer. I am sure you gnashed your teeth seeing folks at the top of the food chain get a away with criminality; so how bout you knock off with the gratuitous teeth-kicking to those at the bottom end and exercise a bit more of a balanced view on a range of socio economic issues?
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Dec 8, 2017 - 02:23pm PT
Frostback^^^^^, you are sure assuming a lot. That was a long rant just assuming I don't care about white collar crime.

Should even respond to that? Sounds like your mind is already made up.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 8, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
Frostback,

In California, the people have come to the conclusion that mass incarceration in response to non-violent property crime just doesn't work.

I don't know what you plan to do with economic criminals, but locking them up is counter-productive.
xCon

Social climber
909
Dec 8, 2017 - 02:40pm PT
and to hear jody tell it
were letting jack the ripper out to hold more Heidi fleiss
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