Will Ryan be as bad a president as Trump? Or worse?

Will Ryan be as bad a president as Trump? Or worse?

Going out on a limb here...

and predicting that CHUMP makes the full four years before being ditched...

Just see how easy it is to be POTUS.....

It would be insanity to run EW as a presidential candidate. Trump proved feminists are a minority in America, running Hillary was foolish, not only because of the decades of slander she's endured from the right, but because she's a woman. Especially right after the first black president. Feminists can't get greedy and jump the gun, or they'll shoot themselves in the foot. Again.

Go younger. Don't go with any senior democratic party member. They're incapable of change and only appeal to old partisans. That anyone would even suggest Biden or Sanders is laughable.

crankster:
Dem's might nominate a woman again if sexual misconduct by men stays in the news.

it's going to be Ryan, probably should get used to the idea. And Mueller doesn't want Flynn to testify against trump (though he'll eventually get to that).

I want one who hasn't sold her soul to the power brokers on wall street.

Word is that Ryan is tainted, as is Pence. The next "available" POTUS who hasn't been touched by the debacle is Hatch.

many (most?) binary voters (self included) are pretty well finished with the malignant binary system.

I know the talent is there to do the same in 2020.

I'll call out Norton for special mention here - not a day goes by that he doesn't blast red staters and in so doing, my relatives.

he and tens of millions of other ignorant white males just like him voted against their own interests in voting for Trump, mostly because they are bigots and could never vote for a women just like they could never vote for Obama being only half white

I’d suggest those who can’t get over Bernie’s loss reach out to people of color to learn and expand their depth of understanding.

Trump will not go to jail unless a state files charges against him.

What do *people of color* want that's different from what everybody else wants?

Sanders almost won the Dem nomination for president in '16. To suggest he's not a Democrat-in-kind shows an almost incomprehensible ignorance of politics.

Norton.. try to hear this. I voted for Hillary. My argument has been all along that there was a high chance that she would not win. She isn't a good leader. She might be effective behind the scenes, but out front she makes too many mistakes. And there was too much stink of corruption around her. But if I say that, then people like crankster will blame the republicans and fox news. I wasn't swayed by that. I was swayed by the rumors coming out of party headquarters. People don't like Hillary. So my argument all along was well before she became the parties nomination. Even her own husband tried to tell her she was making big mistakes. but she doesn't listen. Much like some people here.

What neither of you are hearing is there are millions of us stuck in the middle between winner takes all partisan as#@&%es. We're tired of the extremes. Many of us feel that left unchecked attitudes like those professed by the hard outer edges of the parties are leading us back toward civil war.

I want candidtes who not only are willing to compromise toward the middle, I demand it. If enough of us come to recognize it, WE control the national elections now. We swing this way and that and so fall the elections. What we need to do is NEVER vote the party ticket, ANY party ticket.

If we do that we will kick the partisan powers to the curb. The last two presidents were not elected on the strength of the party faithful.

Ken, dude, I think you're a dude. Nice mansplaining.

State charges, by the way cannot be pardoned. Only federal charges can be.

"What did he do for "people of color"

One big time super obvious one is he became President...

What neither of you are hearing is there are millions of us stuck in the middle between winner takes all partisan as#@&%es. We're tired of the extremes. Many of us feel that left unchecked attitudes like those professed by the hard outer edges of the parties are leading us back toward civil war.

I want candidtes who not only are willing to compromise toward the middle, I demand it. If enough of us come to recognize it, WE control the national elections now. We swing this way and that and so fall the elections. What we need to do is NEVER vote the party ticket, ANY party ticket.

If we do that we will kick the partisan powers to the curb. The last two presidents were not elected on the strength of the party faithful.

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. Obama couldn't cure or erase America's racist past or present, especially among conservatives who couldn't accept a black president.

you're calling out a dude for being a dude, dude. you've got an outtie too, so you're just as guilty, quoth the resident expert (an innie FWIW). sorry for mansplaining to you, man.

Is abortion really so incontrovertible for us?

So far, it seems he may only have chatted with Russians

as far as I recall, private American citizens are not in a position to contact foreign governments on behalf of the USGovernment, certainly not without the USG knowing about it, and approving.

correct, that would be a clear case of breaking the law, the Logan Act

Yet the whole Democrat-media whining seems more akin to the greater forces of Godwin's law.

The dude talks to the Russians. So what? If the Russians tried to meddle in the U.S. election by releasing accurate DNC emails, so what?

Trump is a sideshow presidency. But he ain't on a level - yet at least - as the murderous Bush campaign in Iraq. He hasn't bailed out the banks like smooth-talking Obama did.

I'm with RobertL, I don't believe Obama did that great of a job. But at the same time, the republicans are also fully off the rails. I find it hard to believe just how messed up our country has gotten. So messed up that some people think that Trump is a good thing. Thats messed up. But also so messed up that others think Hillary would have been a good thing.

It was all a lie – one of the biggest and most elaborate falsehoods ever sold to the American people. We were told that the taxpayer was stepping in – only temporarily, mind you – to prop up the economy and save the world from financial catastrophe. What we actually ended up doing was the exact opposite: committing American taxpayers to permanent, blind support of an ungovernable, unregulatable, hyperconcentrated new financial system that exacerbates the greed and inequality that caused the crash, and forces Wall Street banks like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup to increase risk rather than reduce it. The result is one of those deals where one wrong decision early on blossoms into a lush nightmare of unintended consequences. We thought we were just letting a friend crash at the house for a few days; we ended up with a family of hillbillies who moved in forever, sleeping nine to a bed and building a meth lab on the front lawn.

paintball park?

It was all a lie – one of the biggest and most elaborate falsehoods ever sold to the American people. We were told that the taxpayer was stepping in – only temporarily, mind you – to prop up the economy and save the world from financial catastrophe. What we actually ended up doing was the exact opposite: committing American taxpayers to permanent, blind support of an ungovernable, unregulatable, hyperconcentrated new financial system that exacerbates the greed and inequality that caused the crash, and forces Wall Street banks like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup to increase risk rather than reduce it

In the beginning I though I'd rather keep Trump since Pence or Ryan are more competent and could make more progress on a far right agenda. For the record I wouldn't want a far left agenda either.

But the more I see of Trump the more I'm worried he'll do something really stupid, like a nuclear war with NK. So I'm hoping Trump is impeached because who knows what he'll do.

homeowners of color strongly disagree

I have written it before and will again. He no doubts blames the US for helping to create the breakup of the ‘mighty’ Soviet Union. Putin wants payback (understandably I suppose).

In the beginning I though I'd rather keep Trump since Pence or Ryan are more competent and could make more progress on a far right agenda. For the record I wouldn't want a far left agenda either.

But the more I see of Trump the more I'm worried he'll do something really stupid, like a nuclear war with NK. So I'm hoping Trump is impeached because who knows what he'll do.

I'm also hoping for impeachment so Trump goes down in disgrace like Nixon did. He has done so much to undermine the respect and dignity that went with the office. I want him out before future leaders think they can get away with this kind of terrible behavior.

The only place that can be cut is discretionary spending, take a close look and try to figure out where savings could be had

I'm all for increased government spending that can a logical person can see how it generates future prosperity of our society. That is an investment, not just pissing away money.

Romeny had this to say, after Trump whole-heartedly endorsed Moore today: ""Roy Moore in the US Senate would be a stain on the GOP and on the nation. Leigh Corfman and other victims are courageous heroes. No vote, no majority is worth losing our honor, our integrity."

Funny thing about Smith's 'invisible hand'.

Many econ101 grads get him wrong. They think Smith was telling us that self-interests nonetheless tend to benefit society. But what Smith was actually saying is that import restrictions were unnecessary because locals preferred to buy from fellow local merchants anyhow, rather than from foreigners. Nonetheless, Smith's view was imperfect, since many people will pay for the thing that's on sale irrespective of where it's made, when for several reasons, they should probably be paying for the thing that costs 3-times as much.

And Shakespeare's 'the invisible hand' seems rather prescient. We find out that Macbeth's self-interest was his down-fall. It ended-up destroying those who supported it, with no benefit to society.

The 'invisible hand' is a metaphor for the failure of greedy self-interested design. You could stop using it

It’s been fun, but this site ain’t a place for sane people.

Two words, padwan:

President Trump's endorsement of Alabama Senate nominee Roy Moore on Monday prompted the Republican National Committee and a pro-Trump super PAC to re-enter the state, boosting a candidate who had been largely cut off by his party.

Senate Republican leaders remained critical of Moore on Monday, warning that the former judge is likely to face an immediate ethics probe if he is elected next week. But the America First Action super PAC, following Trump's lead, announced that it would spent $1.1 million to elect Moore, while the RNC said it was returning to the field after pulling out in mid-November.

The divergent attitudes toward Moore, who has been accused of making unwanted sexual advances toward teenage girls when he was in his 30s, underscored how polarizing a figure he would be among his party's national leaders if he wins the Dec. 12 special election.
Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee and a potential Senate contender in Utah next year, wrote on Twitter that Moore becoming a senator "would be a stain on the GOP and on the nation."
Moore retorted that Romney had either "lost his courage or he doesn't care about truth anymore."

Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), who said he has already voted by write-in absentee ballot for an unnamed "distinguished Republican" who is not Moore, said in an interview Monday that he fears Moore's political style would not serve his state or the nation well.

"I think that he's thrived on controversy, and I don't believe anybody can thrive on controversy forever and not get burned up by it," Shelby said.
He added, "I don't believe that Roy Moore, if he was elected to the Senate, and he might be, would work in the Senate — I don't mean to go along to get along, I'm talking about to build the nation, build the state, at least as a lot of people believe we ought to do."

The real problem isn’t east coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because they don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.

Since facts and reality don’t matter, nothing you say to them will alter their beliefs. “President Obama was born in Kenya, is a secret member of the Muslim Brotherhood who hates white Americans and is going to take away their guns.” I feel ridiculous even writing this, it is so absurd, but it is gospel across large swaths of rural America.

@Norton . . . after owning both a mortgage company and title company and originating, processing and closing thousands of residential mortgages of all kinds . . .

Yes, because God forbid an individual hold economic freedom in his or her own hands. Revealing. And more evidence American liberals prefer the rule of the unelected bureaucrat to the invisible hand. The arrogance in the quote above goes to the root of the angst here vis a vis Trump.

I see it as the role of our government to protect individuals from the cut-throat wilderness that would otherwise exist.

@Norton . . . after owning both a mortgage company and title company and originating, processing and closing thousands of residential mortgages of all kinds . . .

BTW, Norton, thanks for 2008!!

@NutAgain The changes afoot, which are different variations on the themes of ruthless pursuit of power that have always been afoot, are not within our individual power to stop. But if we raise our voices and call out the sh!t where we see it, and we help wake up the people around us, and encourage more of us to engage in our civic duty to vote and give feedback to our elected representatives, we will over time improve the quality of our government and it's ability to regulate the forces that conspire to undercut our collective well-being.

When we give up hope in that system, the only alternative is acceptance of a boot crushing our faces and taking everything we have by force. Some people feel like that already, but there is always room for it to get worse. And it will get worse until enough people feel enough pain to take action to avoid that pain.

Before trying to tackle government corruption and waste in a more holistic way, I would focus on campaign finance reform and a media transparency regulatory framework.

Exhibit A would be ...

Arguably, not really. He really just emphasised how politicians call on people to give them money to demonstrate their allegance to 'values'

And of course you need to realize;
That retired public service pensioners paid into their pension plans over their working lifetime, (some not eligible for SS) while being paid sub standard wages compared to the private sector.

Nice try though.

Edit: As for more government bloat and fewer private sector jobs... diminishing government is not going to create more private sector jobs. It will just increase unemployment, cause less money to be in circulation buying products from those few monster private companies that are left. I see government directly hiring people as a tourniquet on the bleeding artery of America: the diminishing number of full-time jobs and the increasing technical requirements that are outpacing the ability of the populace to be trained for them. Private sector focuses on reducing jobs in every way they can without reducing profits. That will continue unabated