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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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All in the Monument.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Reotech! We hiked/scrambled out of the canyon to the north of the landform in your 1st photo last May & ended up about a 1/2 mile west of it. We did a similar, but different route about 15 years ago.
Great fun, & you never know what you might find on the way.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sorry Fats, but "Juan" is a fiction created out of a stereotype by Cowboy himself--despite his later attempts to edit and claim that he is a real. Bizarre, frankly.
Anyhow, your predictable trotting out of the brown-hater lies at the heart of why white liberal paternal racism is probably the most insidious brand on the shelf. Ah yes, the old tried and true, 'you pointed out my racism so YOU must be racist' trope. So let's see if I understand you correctly, pointing out that someone is racist, or a "brown hater", is more insidious than being racist?
By the way, I'm Latino. I think your mask is more than slipping; it's off.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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^^^^ Yep, smells like old school LDS bigots to me . . .
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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My understanding is that Egypt, Neon, Peakaboo, Spooky and Brimstone are all still in Wilderness Study Areas, so still should be OK.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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steve that eventual mine will be upgradient and may well poison the miraculous springs of that last living vestige of glen canyon ecosystem
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Maga!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Dec 12, 2017 - 05:29pm PT
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I really hate these f*#kers...
Trump, Zinke to Auction Away 700,000 Acres of Western Public Lands for Fracking
http://flip.it/3mCpoc
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 13, 2017 - 09:39pm PT
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“This is not about energy. There is no oil and gas assets. There is no mine within the Bears Ears monument before or after, so the argument that President Trump stole land is false, nefarious and a lie,” Zinke told reporters in a Dec. 5 press call.
It's nice to have Zinke admit there are no oil & gas assets in The Bear's Ears area that Trump converted back to BLM & Forest Service lands.
However that land is great fun for the cows & the OHV/ATV folks to trash.
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Krease
Gym climber
the inferno
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Dec 13, 2017 - 09:49pm PT
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just remember Fritz, the only thing sacred to the GOP is profit. Profit before planet, profit before people. It's kind of like their mantra.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 20, 2017 - 02:43pm PT
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A belated answer to TBC (one of my favorite Abbey books)
Yes, I have been to IC recently (and first went in 1981 so have a basis for comparison).
I've always seen it as the guinea pig for the dozens of similar canyons that DON'T have a paved road. It is proof that man always kills the thing he loves. That's why I kept quiet about the Bowknot group (which includes Abbey Tower) until some fool named it the Green River Towers (the Green has dozens of towers along its hundreds of miles!) I'm still keeping quiet about those other canyons.
Once the cat is out of the bag there will be blood.
I suggest you get proactive and address the trail and garbage problems before they become reasons for closure.
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Don Paul
Mountain climber
Denver CO
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Dec 26, 2017 - 06:59am PT
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Great editorial in today's Salt Lake Tribune. Why Orrin Hatch is Utahn of the Year The title is meant to fool you - Utah's main paper is asking Hatch to get lost.
Too much attention has been paid to Trump and Zinke, letting Hatch and his mining industry donors off the hook. The solution is to make sure Hatch doesn't get re-elected. I read the brief arguing that the President doesn't have the power to revoke monument status - that argument is kind of dumb and Patagonia, NRDC etc. should stop fundraising off of it. Instead of pissing away everyone's money and goodwill, do something productive and support whoever runs against Orrin Hatch.
* PS to Ken or anyone else who wants to discuss, I don't want to work on building legal arguments against the Denver U brief, and I don't oppose it, I just think its incorrect.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 26, 2017 - 07:40am PT
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I really do thank you, TokerV, for keeping the beanpot mostly unspilt. But for you and a few other tightlipped misanthropes, the death-knell of desert mystery might've come sooner than it yet will.
Keep your eyes peeled for Hinman out there, and thanks for sharing (and shielding from human smothering-to-death) the frijoles.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 26, 2017 - 05:22pm PT
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Right, Don Paul, just keep letting him get away with it, don't call him on it when he breaks the law!
Thanks for your well thought out, 'Advice'.
And yeah, Orrin has gotta go.
But please, think it through before you spew this ignorance, how many democrats do you think there Are in Utah?
That's Not, the starting point. Go cry on your barista's shoulder in your urban enclave, you condescending knucklehead.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Dec 26, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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More Democrats than you might think. Majority in Salt Lake, by far the largest county in the state. Sadly, we're gerrymandered to death.
That said, many Republicans here are tired of Hatch too. I talked to a couple a few days ago that indicated they would happily vote for Romney instead of Hatch in a primary.
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