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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 20, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
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Gee 10b...we can read...that info is in the OP.
I just reposted it for the people who lack reading comprehension skills. . . . . . .
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Nov 20, 2017 - 06:31pm PT
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I hope they had something more than a Swiss Army Knife to finish off those poor creatures. Man, that sounds like a mess.
Back in my dirtbag daze we used to hike up to the Gunks carriage road from the lowest hairpin to avoid giving precious beer money to the Mohonk Trust Ranger. On more than one occasion we came across mangled deer carcasses who had obviously fallen quite a ways.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 20, 2017 - 06:36pm PT
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madbolter1...100 dead is right! I am surprised there isn't a call for more gun control.
Ohhh, the humanity. Uh, I mean the mammanity.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 20, 2017 - 07:38pm PT
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Tragic . . . There was an incident involving an elk herd running off a cliff in the upper Mill Creek/Pack Basin near Telluride.
The buck in the initial photo is huge . . . almost looks like an elk. There appear to be boulders mingled with the animals, perhaps they triggered rockslides as they fell.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Nov 20, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Nov 20, 2017 - 04:23pm PT
100 dead? Yikes!
Was the shooter killed or arrested, or did ze commit suicide?
Jody
climber
Occupied Territory
Nov 20, 2017 - 04:43pm PT
madbolter1...100 dead is right! I am surprised there isn't a call for more gun control.
madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Nov 20, 2017 - 06:36pm PT
madbolter1...100 dead is right! I am surprised there isn't a call for more gun control.
Ohhh, the humanity. Uh, I mean the mammanity.
fail
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 20, 2017 - 07:48pm PT
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The huge buck in the photo appears to be partially pinned down by a large rock on top of him. This suggests rockfall rather than mass slippage on an icy slope
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 20, 2017 - 08:23pm PT
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The buck stops here.
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TLP
climber
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Nov 20, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
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xCon, I don't know about the ecological situation of deer in the Rockies. There are 7 subspecies of mule/blacktailed deer, the one with by far the most extensive geographic range is the Rocky Mtn. mule deer, which just extends to the east side of the Sierra (also north almost to Alaska and south about halfway down Arizona and New Mexico, I think). I know that overpopulation of white-tailed deer has messed up the eastern forest ecosystem somewhat (though for that matter, so has the lowly introduced earthworm). My guess is that this is less of a problem, or no problem, with mule deer in the Rockies, because there are plenty of non-human predators, plus probably more human hunters, or anyways more successful ones than in the northeast. Deer tags are very highly sought after in the states that I know about from friends who hunt, and as someone posted up earlier, the state wildlife agencies census and manage the populations as best they can for sustainability.
Probably the biggest issue for western mountain deer populations is development within winter range, which is pretty constrained to begin with. Also rampant development with highways, dogs, etc. within migration routes which are more narrow than most people think. Deer depend heavily on good foraging (open scrubland especially) in mountain foothills for stopover foraging during migration, and that's also perfect resort subdivision locations. It's pretty tough on them.
And thanks for the ping of the Sci Am. article even though it's a different species and situation. I was worried you might think I was flaming away about it not being relevant, didn't mean it negatively that way at all. Just that it's different here. If you've never seen the eastside mid-Sierra herd in movement on that one night when they finally all say, OK, that's it, we're about to get snowed in and die, let's hit it, it's a magnificent sight. They just flood across 395 completely not bothering that there's traffic. And everyone just stops in awe. One of the cooler natural phenomena you can have the good fortune to witness in California or anywhere. It's really sad so many of them perished in this natural mini-disaster, but they'll bounce back, as long as they get a few good years. Send the garbage bears from Mammoth up there, they'll clean up the mess in no time.
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