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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Another Franken victim.
A former Democratic congressional aide said Al Franken tried to forcibly kiss her after a taping of his radio show in 2006
That's his move, apparently.
Two former colleagues of the woman independently corroborated her version of events, including Franken telling her he had the right to try to kiss her because he was “an entertainer.”
That sounds like something you'd tell Billy Bush.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/al-franken-accusation-sexual-harassment-2006-281049
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Franken has to go, because in the democratic party we don't tolerate this.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Ken...
because in the democratic party we tolerate this.
or, say, touchy uncle joe biden? if Franken has to go then the Dems can have their empty seat, Independents or Unity Party are critical at this point
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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BTW Ken, you lovin' the Dems now that the Al Green House impeachment vote went down 364-58?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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He’ll likley resign tomorrow. Probably time.
Now it’s Trump’s turn. Anybody outraged over Franken should be beyond livid the POS POTUS has skated.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Franken should not resign unless the far worse Republicans including trumpy resign first. The Democrats are idiots if they think they are setting an example. They have attempted this loser policy to play nice before and always the Republicans never reciprocate. The entire GOP strategy for years now is dirty politics. The Republicans will NEVER follow any such example, as demonstrated by the GOP official support for moore. It is foolish to claim that Franken's case stands alone, regardless of what happens in other cases. He would actually not be setting an example, because we know that unless those worse cases resign first, they will never resign. In fact they will have a victory dance where they celebrate the Democrat self-immolation.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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A good play by the Democrats. Conyers out, Franken out. Now they can demand that the Republicans do some house cleaning as well.
The Republican play, if they can pull it off, is to have Moore get the seat, then throw him under the bus so the Governor gets to appoint a new Republican Senator.
The interesting development will come when the names, currently secret, of those in Congress who paid out settlements with taxpayer dollars are made public. Now that the existence and use of the fund is public knowledge it's only a matter of time.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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you seriously believe Senate Republicans will order Moore out of the Senate? really?
they can drag out an "Ethics Investigation" for the remainder of his term.......
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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they can drag out an "Ethics Investigation" for the remainder of his term.......
Why would that be to their advantage? They tried as hard as they could to primary him in the first place. He's a loose cannon, the establishment will take him out. All that matters to them is holding the seat. They'll leverage the Governor to appoint one of their own.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Before Al steps down, EACH of those needs to be compared.
I can't agree. I get your frustration, but the logic is flawed. It's wrong to let a confirmed sexual molester go unpunished just because worse predators might be outed in the future. Apparently a group of powerful women in the Senate think so too, and they're Democrats.
It's also wrong to let smaller fish off the hook just because bigger fish (Trump for example) are harder to catch.
268? Wow. The fact that they stooped to paying off their accusers/victims with taxpayer money is enough to throw them to the wolves. I can't wait for the shoe to drop.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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"Apparently a group of powerful women in the Senate think so too, and they're Democrats."
That is because the Democrats are more interested in ever admitting wrong-doing than Repubhypocrins, who never admit anything. Trump being the top example. George Bush jr. to this day does not admit he was mistaken in attacking Iraq.
And in those Democrats safe districts, being politically correct is of top importance, with no consideration to practicality or consistency. Otherwise those women in the Senate would release the names of all the secret settlements.
Duncan Hunter (R) from eastern San Diego County embezzled $100,000 from his campaign funds to spend on his own pocket. The "investigation" has been going on for years, with no outcome or indictment. If it were you or me, we would be in jail.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I don't think this is the flush that gets him. Franken's going to keep clinging to the rim.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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^nope. he is gone. over it, done voting dem, period, personally.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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it's almost like his colleagues on the same side of the aisle did not value him due to his unconventional, unserious rise to power. it is almost like they think that they can pull many female votes by taking the high road here. the female candidate for POTUS did so well woth this, why wouldn't it work well this time around? it's like deja vu all over again, the song that never ends, the party of the golden rule (and no majority), etc.
I think i will be changing my registration to independent.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Sad situation. It became clear it had to happen.
IMO, taking this “high road” will have no long lasting effect, beyond a short term, Dem, self patting on the back about how virtuous they are. As well, as the use of sound bites in the next election, about the moral high ground the Dems took.
It seems that we’ve reduced our values in our country to money being the determiner of all that is good and worthy.
As for the effect of the resignation on bolstering the Dem image, “no good deed goes unpunished” comes to mind.
I’ve always registered independent or decline to state. I’m about to register “anarchist” if that becomes available.
Now back to regular scheduled programming on Jerusalem.
Susan.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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It's a drag because we reall need him right now. He brought it on himself, and us, though.
" just put Rambo back inside your pants!" -The Dead Kennedys
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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He brought it on himself, and us, though. In this case, he is a victim of the #metoo movement. I read about four of the accusations and each one of them is just ridiculous. Yes, I said it.
I quote a comment I read somewhere else, "He had a target on his back because he was the Democrats' toughest bulldog. " Having read his books, I believe in his integrity and genuine intention to serve the people. Because of that, I can understand his decision to step down. Once he realized that he had lost effectiveness in his governing capacity, he's not one to cling on to power.
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