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Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Nov 9, 2017 - 05:56pm PT

Bullsh!t Klaus. Pro-level climbers that don't/didn't come from rich families dolling out fistfulls of coin: House, Cordes, Steck, Messner, Rebuffat, Bonatti, Ozturk, Dash, Kellogg, Swanson, Blanchard, Caldwell, Copp, Kennedy, Prezelj...

Pretty sure Klaus meant the current flock of Tier 2 and Tier 3 "professionals" not the Tier 1 that you've mentioned here.
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Nov 9, 2017 - 05:57pm PT
I'm pro climbers. Where is my money?

Moose
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Nov 9, 2017 - 06:07pm PT
Oh, how it has changed over the years!

Credit: guido

"No contest for glory among men."

"No renown to hope for."

"No audience to encourage him apart from his companion on the rope."
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Nov 9, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
thanks for that guido
Trashman

Trad climber
SLC
Nov 9, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
Seems like the Skinnerís and the Honnoldís make a majority of their cash on the speaking circuits, telling the code monkeys in Mountain View to chase their dreams, not let fear hold them back, shift the paradigm, etc, etc.

Interesting bank shot when you think of it. Athletic achievement as prop on the motivational speaking tour.
Hoser

climber
Vancouver,Rome
Nov 9, 2017 - 09:56pm PT
I know Bachar did pretty well as the sole Boreal rep for years.

I thought for sure there was at least three fundraisers to pay for medical bills and such...doesnt sound all that glamorous to me.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Nov 9, 2017 - 10:08pm PT
Guide FTW!
BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
Nov 9, 2017 - 11:34pm PT
Regarding Alex Honnold, don't forget about his Citi Card TV commercial. It got a lot of play here in the USA and he told me that it was going to start showing on TV down in Australia. Its all about the residuals!
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2017 - 06:48am PT

Interesting stuff, Robert. Thanks.

@Guido: Well, damn. I was always in that old school camp. Can't beat old Lionel for a truth smack down.

@Hoser: Good point. I have no idea how he managed his personal finances, but Bachar was buying property and driving decent rigs when his lesser talented cohort were living off Alpo. And with all things medical, it's no problem running up bills that call for fundraisers, even with insurance. RIP to the master. He had a tough go of it those last years with the car accident and its aftermath.

I would think mtn. bikers would do a lot better as I thought it was a much bigger sport. I think it will be in the future, but with climbing coming to the next Olympics, the race is on. I know in my old home town of Tehachapi--tiny, middle of nowhere--the local community developed a pretty vibrant high school mtn. bike racing program. Pretty cool.

One thing re. "pro" climbing that has always seemed to me to be pretty damn annoying--if I had the chops to even be at that level--is the constant need to create and distribute "content." Gotta have the damn camera out all the time. Gotta set up shots, spray on social media, blah, blah, blah. I can see for sure how some folks might like the creative aspects of all that, but if you're in it for the climbing, ugh. BITD, you'd take pictures, maybe keep a journal, and all the rest would happen post climb. But it seems that today, the climbers have to do all this shiz all the time.

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JLP

Social climber
The internet
Nov 10, 2017 - 07:35am PT
I haven't seen many pro climbers remain active for more than a few years. The exceptions are just a handful, everyone can name them, even those seem to be low paying. Lynn Hill had some interesting comments in one of her Enormocasts. Her primary income these days is Air BnB. She was at the top. Overall, the pro climber seems to be a rather brief low paying career. Kalous generally asks his Enormocast guests how they make do, lots of other interesting examples.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Nov 10, 2017 - 07:54am PT
How does being a model make one a pro climber? That's being a pro model, innit?

A nice underwear ad, while perhaps cute or hawt, isn't a pro climbing. Sorry you have to exclude all that income from the pro climber column.

Same for being a photog of the climber stars... pro photographer. Or a pro writer. Or a pro lecturer / speaker. They leverage their notoriety as climbers but their profession is something else.

What makes one a pro climber is getting paid to climb. Guides, um, guides, and um, competition climbers, and er, guides. What am I missing here? Guides? Oh, climb class teachers, those kids are rolling in dough right?

DMT
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Nov 10, 2017 - 08:05am PT
Interesting definition, DMT.

When I think of "pro climber", I think of folks who afford their lifestyle by being a climber, not necessarily being paid to climb.

That puts models back into the mix.

An example of this from another sport would be Anna Kournikova. She was never in the top of the top, but, her income crushed many, many better players. Still does more'n likely.

More money in "climbing" now, it seems, especially since its become much more mainstream. There's gravy out there for the taking. Kids just need to learn how to show up. Those that do, do ok I'd think.

Anyhoo...interesting.
seano

Mountain climber
none
Nov 10, 2017 - 08:43am PT
Seems like the Skinnerís and the Honnoldís make a majority of their cash on the speaking circuits, telling the code monkeys in Mountain View to chase their dreams, not let fear hold them back, shift the paradigm, etc, etc.
I clearly need to work on my message. "It hurts, and it's more likely to make you dead or quadriplegic than rich" probably doesn't encourage tech-bros to open their wallets.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Nov 10, 2017 - 09:32am PT
nteresting definition, DMT.

When I think of "pro climber", I think of folks who afford their lifestyle by being a climber, not necessarily being paid to climb.

That puts models back into the mix.

And stock brokers, real estate guys and really good sales people.

But a pro footballer gets paid to play football. The underwear ads are just side income modeling gig.

I would think sponsored climbers get paid some amount to climb, guys like Donini are probably (or were) pro climbers. I'm thinking that is a very modest income but what do I know?

DMT
Robert L

climber
Nov 10, 2017 - 10:43am PT
^^^

Jordan probably made more money from what was outside his NBA contract.

Pro mountainbike cult leader Cedric Gracia owns all his property through part-work in real estate. It's common for pro mountainbikers to hustle together minor sponsors - such as an energy drink company - to help make their race seasons feasable.

Lama probably gets more coin from Red Bull, than from climbing gear company Mammut. Same with Will Gadd.

Without their high-level work in their sport, none of the above examples would have much of an audience to sell shoes, energy drinks, docos to.
Brian in SLC

Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Nov 10, 2017 - 12:40pm PT
I would think sponsored climbers get paid some amount to climb, guys like Donini are probably (or were) pro climbers. I'm thinking that is a very modest income but what do I know?

My guess is J Do did a'ight. But, as a rep, not necessarily as a "pro climber" per se?

Maybe that's parsing it a bit. Maybe he'll chime in and drop dime...ha ha.

I think the folks that figure out how to do it ain't sayin'. Although, you gotta show up.

Its interesting to me. I've known a number of people who climb who are either in that industry, or, support themselves though some time of climbing (guiding, teaching, etc). Gear rep'n and private clients. Not sure anyone's gettin' fat off it, but, reasonable row to hoe it seems.

Find a significant other who pays the bills...

Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2017 - 02:12pm PT
I had a little conversation with Peter Croft, and he mentioned a mix--guiding, work for The North Face, some writing, etc. I'm sure occasional slideshows. His wife does real estate. Except for just a couple of people at the very top, it's not really a "career." At least the young studs can make a few bucks while they work out some sort of income stream.

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darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 10, 2017 - 03:36pm PT
I've always wondered about the role of "family money" in pro climbing. When you follow some of these dudes (well, two in particular) on instagram, you see nice cars, nice places to live, trips to nice restaurants, and endless international travel. I bet many people here will be able to guess exactly who I'm talking about.

Just something I've been personally curious about. It wouldn't change the fact that they're amazing climbers, but it would help to explain how and why they're able to dedicate their lives to it.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Nov 10, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
Definitely some trust funded climbers out there - but not that many, IMO - still just outliers.

By far, the pattern I see is youth and fame - and it lasts like 2 years.

Open any climbing mag from a mere 2 years ago.

My career has spanned about 30 years at this point. I think your typical Joe middle age middle class white collar professional - seem to be several on this forum - likely have more in assets than any pro climber will ever have.
Robert L

climber
Nov 10, 2017 - 05:36pm PT
Open any climbing mag from a mere 2 years ago.

The guys in the Alpinist 2 years ago, are still crushing it now or have died trying.

Perhaps such correlates with the quality and intent of a climbing magazines content.

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