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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Anything other than TSP (Rince well) may give you problems when you try to paint over it. Beware. Problems like paint separation from the wall and bubbles and crackle's in the paint Etc.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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You can buy range fed cockroaches that will eat that sh#t off the walls...Then they crawl outside and die...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Anything other than TSP (Rince well) may give you problems when you try to paint over it.
Not necessarily true but tests are definitely indicated. If it is a 'tarry'
substance than it is unlikely that a water-based Kilz would react with it.
Anything solvent based would be far more likely to. Since it is possibly
organically based the amount of time that has elapsed would argue for it to
be well dessicated by now and therefore rather unlikely to be activated by
a coat or two of water-based Kilz.
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ECF
Big Wall climber
Ridgway CO
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Use 91% rubbing alcohol.
The cheaper 70% stuff barely works, don't bother.
Let is soak in a bit, it will dissolve and wipe up much easier.
TSP won't touch it.
Some other chemicals will, but 91% isopropyl is safest and cheapest way to go.
Kilz primer, the red writing label oil based kind, not the gold or premium, they are latex based.
There are several ways to make concentrate, sounds like they were doing the alcohol evaporate method and used too much heat and it splattered everywhere.
Amateurs...
I had a professional cleaning/ power washing service for 10 years.
Been there, done that...
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2017 - 06:00am PT
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I'll take that # for Vinnie Reilly. No really....
Won't the roaches get stoned and lazy and not finish the job? Seems to happen with the hired help a lot at that house.
I actually had to deal with a similar situation when I bought the house 20 years ago. The owners were very heavy cigarrette smokers. I used TSP at the time but it didn't work so well in the kitchen where it was smoke residue mixed with cooking grease. I had issues with peeling and had to go back - resand/reclean and ended up using oil based primer on the whole kitchen to get the paint to stick. Probabaly have to do the same this time. Meh.
I think I'll start with the alcohol and work my way through the list here. I'll keep y'all apraised.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 10, 2017 - 06:24am PT
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I spent 4 days scrubbing lard off a kitchen wall before it could be painted...glad i was hourly..I painted over the pink walls in the bedroom and overnight cockroaches had crawled up the wet paint.. I didn't know roaches could live at 8,000 feet in the winter...Maidy..I feel your pain...rj
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Nov 10, 2017 - 06:33am PT
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We gotta go hammer and tongs on those a-holz. Gah.
BAd
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 10, 2017 - 06:44am PT
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If you have ever used Rapid Remover and have suffered bouts of paranoid schizophrenic delusions you may be entitiled to a cash settlement.... call 1 800 crk loon....
;)
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 10, 2017 - 09:40pm PT
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TSP followed by a good coat of oil-based KILZ if you can still buy that in CA. Use a bunch of shitty dollar store abrasive scrubs along with blue shop paper towels and throw then out as soon as they get grotty.Skinning your walls with a second layer of 1/4" or 3/8" sheetrock is also an option if you need to give up on the clean up. Lots of notched trimwork is the real problem with this option but hey, it's a rental, right?
Bong cleaning products like Liquid Grunge Off perhaps?
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2017 - 08:10am PT
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@ Dingus: I did manage to get rid of cigarette smell with the TSP and liberal coats of oil primer and paint. on every surface and cabinet. I replaced every bit of flooring and carpet and took down most of the popcorn ceilings . I also replaced every light fixture , wall switch etc - anything that had a surface that could collect stinky residue.
Looks like I get to do it all over again. Fortunately- this's stuff has an odd odor but it's not nearly as discusting or strong as cigarette smell IMO . It's just harder to scrub off.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2017 - 10:27am PT
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The cigarette smell eradication project was BME- era ( before Mr. E) FYI :)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 11, 2017 - 10:42am PT
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I’ve seen a coat of Kilz completely cure a nicotine-coated crib. It was the solvent based Kilz which you might have to go buy in Palmdale, so take some heat, or Vinnie. FWIW, how good does it have to be as a rental in Canoga Park? Jess sayin it only has to be gud nuff.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2017 - 03:27pm PT
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Update on latest cleaning efforts in case anyone ever has the misfortune to have to deal with a similar cleaning nightmare.
Things that don't work:
Isopropyl alcohol: worthless
Denatured alcohol: worthless
Goo gone: semi-worthless- only works on light removal with a lot of scrubbing
Orange cleaner: semi-worthless- only works on light removal with a lot of scrubbing.
Edit to add: mineral spirits- lot of stink and work for limited results.
Things that kinda work:
TSP: removes the haze and film with lots of scrubbing with a scrubbie. It did remove the deep sticky pile off the Pergo floor after soaking and multiple re- scrubs.
Does NOT remove thicker splattered stuff on the plaster walls.
Pine Sol mixed about 3-4X stronger than recommended + very aggressive scrubbie was the only thing that sort of got the globs off the plaster, woodwork and appliances. .. and that's only *kinda* off... not totally removed.
Scrubbies gum up pretty rapidly and have to be thrown awayBTW . I'll let the oil primer handle the rest at this point.
I haven't tried paint thinner or any grease- based options since i didn't have a respirator with m and oily stuff seemed like an additional cleaning headache.
I still have a Saltillo tile floor covered in this crap I haven't tackled yet. The porous surface will likely need something Knar like muriatic after TSP and stripper to get the black sh#t off. I can't find a floor refinishing company that will deal with it.
Meh
F*#king potheads
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Nov 22, 2017 - 03:37pm PT
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Acetone? Ummm, I would do some reading about how to handle it safely in large quantities. Good luck.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Nov 22, 2017 - 08:51pm PT
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Dr. Pepper. Some soak time if possible.
Don’t ask me how I know this.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Nov 23, 2017 - 05:54am PT
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Who purchased the house for you? Mom&dad?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 23, 2017 - 08:43am PT
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Did you do a test area of oil-base and/or water-based Kilz?
Not gonna help on the floors but it would be a lot faster elsewhere.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2017 - 07:48pm PT
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@wtf: yeah I had the same thought about inhaling this stuff. It's far more difficult to remove than cigarette gunk. Studies I've read show no link between marijuana and lung cancer, but anything that sticky and insidious can't be good for your insides. If I was a smoker this would be strong incentive to quit . It will be interesting to see what other respiratory issues crop up with heavy users over the next few decades. .
@ Reilly it will have to be oil based the first round on the walls.
"jeff constine
Who purchased the house for you? Mom&dad?"
Nope... thank you Northride Earthquake
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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Nov 25, 2017 - 07:17pm PT
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At this point, take it down to the sticks!
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Nov 26, 2017 - 07:01am PT
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A truly epic cleaning job. Stay strong, Maidy!
BAd
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