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Paul B

Big Wall climber
Sheffield, UK
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 30, 2017 - 03:10am PT
This feels slightly lazy (sorry), however, I was wondering whether anyone had (or knew of) any GPS tracks for the approach to Rainbow Wall and Levitation 29?

I'll be there in a couple of weeks and I'd like to do my best to avoid getting lost on the approach (and descent from Epinephrine) as I'm pretty good at doing so and we'll have limited time.

We've done a fair amount in Black Velvet Canyon as it was so hot (for Brits) on our last visit so I'd be grateful of recommendations other than 'that stuff' and Cloud Tower / Chrimson Chrysalis.

Thanks!

Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
Oct 30, 2017 - 08:01am PT

Try climbonmaps.com. offers approach/descent info, but i don't know how good they are.
Paul B

Big Wall climber
Sheffield, UK
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2017 - 08:18am PT
Interesting thanks. I guess I could order a copy to our accommodation.

If it's possible to find it quickly then a big day is an option which saves us bringing bivy kit over with us. Otherwise I'll likely just scope it out one afternoon.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 30, 2017 - 10:33am PT
Caltopo.com is pretty good, creates custom maps and tracks you can download to your phone.
Paul B

Big Wall climber
Sheffield, UK
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2017 - 05:05am PT
It was more that I was just hoping to follow an existing one (if it was available) to speed things up a bit/avoid packing bivy kit.
W.L.

climber
Edge of the Electric Ocean Beneath Red Rock
Oct 31, 2017 - 06:09am PT
The Rainbow Wall approach is very easy to get first go. I take it from what your original post indicates that you have already done Cloud Tower, so basically rather than going up the ramp to go past Crimson and on to Cloud Tower, you just go up that primary Juniper drainage and then go up the obvious slab where there sometimes is a fixed line (still quicker/easier to scramble climbers left). Very straightforward, and should take approx 1:15-2 hrs depending on fitness and pace.

Levitation can be somewhat devious, but if you time it appropriately, such that you will be getting to the more tricky bits around sunrise, should be no big deal. The approach detailed in the Handren guide about the big pines is definitely the way to go. Follow the cairns and shouldn't be too huge of a deal.

RE: Epi descent, again, internet beta is your friend. Lots of good pics on MP that can help you orient. If you can climb the above routes, most likely you will be fast enough to get off Epi in daylight. Even so, from Velvet parking, identify the summit of Whiskey Peak and Velvet Peak, look at the ridgeline that goes to the South from Velvet Peak (counter-intuitive while you are up there) and eventually swings East. Go down this, not the gully between Whiskey and Velvet.

With respect to other recommendations, Texas Hold Em is super classic, Only The Good Die Young is a great half day route, the combo of Nightcrawler and Times Up could make a really fun day.

Plenty to do.
Paul B

Big Wall climber
Sheffield, UK
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2017 - 04:45am PT
W.L.- thanks that was a really helpful post. We have the SuperTopo guide and also a red guidebook (gifted to us by a couple who shared our camping spot in 2013; I think it says "Altman" on the spine, thanks again).

I've just had a quick look through some of your recommendations and I think I've done a few if not all of them but I'll have to consult my records.

Speed is a funny thing with us, if it's predominantly face climbing then we'll absolutely fly but the more traditional type stuff (chimney) we tend to be a bit slow. My wife is recovering from a really bad ankle injury too so I'll likely end up on the sharp end most of the time which really slows things down at each stance and means we'll be taking far more care on the approaches/descents.

W.L.

climber
Edge of the Electric Ocean Beneath Red Rock
Nov 2, 2017 - 06:17am PT
You're welcome. Get rid of both of those guidebooks (limited utility in 2017) and buy Jerry Handren's Red Rock guidebook. Truly a standard-setting guidebook and with enough routes in it to keep the Red Rock appetite whet for quite some time.

You guys will likely breeze up the Rainbow Wall and Levitation then, as it is all face/stemming/laybacking to speak of. Epi may be a bit cold, so keep that in your considerations - especially if due to the circumstances you describe you aren't able to go at full speed.

At any rate, have a blast!
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Nov 2, 2017 - 08:04am PT
Use Google Earth + a guidebook to make your own. It's EZ. Zoom in and find the approach trails. You can use the Ruler tool to make a Path, save that Path to Temporary Places, highlight and Save to kmz or kml, then import that track into Garmin Basecamp, for sure, or probably any other GPS tool. Works well. My experience is that taking the time in advance to make the track this way forces me to learn the area well enough such that the GPS becomes less necessary.
Paul B

Big Wall climber
Sheffield, UK
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
W.L. - what's the easiest way to the top of the Texas Tower in Black Velvet (without needing anything bigger than a BD C4)?
We were behind something like 5 parties on Epi (despite walking in pre-dawn) so we were forced to bail after the chimneys and wouldn't mind getting back up there.
Rollover

climber
Gross Vegas
Nov 11, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
Paul B-
If you need to borrow any larger cams while you are in town.
I could loan you a BD #4 #5 #6.
No problem.
Let me know on this thread.
PM function for ST is not working.
Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
Nov 11, 2017 - 07:23pm PT
Check out Twixt Cradle and Stone. Most people do 8 pitches and rappel, which is what we did, but it can top out as well.
Paul B

Big Wall climber
Sheffield, UK
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2017 - 11:37am PT
Rollover - thanks, that's a very kind offer but we're not in town for that much longer.

Mei - Will do.

The back end of this week looks quite windy so I don't know if that might be a problem in general?

We managed to get lost on the two pines approach to Eagle Wall described in the Handren guide. The cairns seemed to die out and I couldn't work out if we should follow the slabs or loop around heading in the up creek direction first and then back towards the wall?

Anyhow we bivvi'd and then went back to the 4th class option and approached from that. If there's ever a next time I think we'd just go car to car this way perhaps from outside of the loop.

I actually turned on a GPS track during the descent and photographed it as well so I'll write that up/share it when I'm not on a mobile. A quick glance shows it looks to have worked.
Paul B

Big Wall climber
Sheffield, UK
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2017 - 03:55am PT
And here it is:
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Getting-to-Eagle-Wall-Red-Rocks/t13231n.html
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