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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 12, 2017 - 10:57am PT
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/phones-of-poaching-suspects-set-investigators-on-trail-to-carcasses-191-criminal-counts-filed/

In this case, text messages outline planning, and thereís no evidence any animal parts were sold, WDFW investigators said.

Many times, the alleged poachers left entire animals to waste, so they werenít always seeking meat or a physical trophy.

According to the reports, Martin told an officer he had more deer skulls at his house. By nightís end, the officers had seized 27 buck deer heads, most of them from Oregon, according to a probable-cause affidavit filed in Skamania County Court.

Since August, the Skamania County prosecutor has charged eight people with 191 criminal counts, including 33 felony charges.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 12, 2017 - 11:03am PT
I really can't think of a punishment that I would consider too severe. Maybe I need to refresh myself on the Inquisition.
Faafo

Trad climber
Carlsbad
Oct 12, 2017 - 12:26pm PT
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/barcelona-terror-van-attack-driver-still-large-spain-police-say-n794126

Is this what climbers need their vans for?

I agree with Donini, I think what they did to those animals should be done to them, but your question is ridiculous.



socialclimber

climber
CA
Oct 12, 2017 - 12:32pm PT
The nuances of the gun debate (along with pretty much every other debate) makes arguing online about as useful as sticking your junk in a meat grinder and turning the handle.

That being said, can we tie these guys to two bucks and send them running in opposite directions?


Charles
cragnshag

Social climber
san joser
Oct 12, 2017 - 12:40pm PT
Wanton cruelty to animals by humans existed long before gunpowder was invented. I hope these inbred dipshiits get some jail time for this behavior.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 12, 2017 - 12:45pm PT
"Wanton cruelty to animals by humans existed long before gunpowder was invented."

And wanton cruelty to people too....

You really want to make yourself sick checkout what the poachers do in Africa.
norm larson

climber
wilson, wyoming
Oct 12, 2017 - 02:51pm PT
Well they obviously are not hunters they're poachers.
Tattoo them with American flags and drop em off naked in some Islamic state stronghold. Animal terrorists.
jonnyrig

climber
Oct 12, 2017 - 03:19pm PT
All climbers are pot-smoking dirtbags who can't hold a job or a marriage. Jes' sayin'.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2017 - 03:57pm PT
Never ever access public lands.

Never ever be able to legally own firearms/bows.


I think of the folks who scream that muslims don't sufficiently bash terrorists.

Where are the gun advocates, and their position on this?
PIZZAMAN

Trad climber
Van Nuys, Ca.
Oct 12, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
As a gun owner, I would like to see these felons poached and served to animals.
c wilmot

climber
Oct 12, 2017 - 04:40pm PT
Ken m- how would you be able to poach that many animals without guns? Of course this is the reason Americans own guns.

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Oct 12, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
Any one who poaches should be prosecuted to the full extent
of the law!



Many times, the alleged poachers left entire animals to waste, so they werenít always seeking meat



That pi$$es me off also.
All that Deer jerky and Deer salami going to waste.
locker

climber
Oct 12, 2017 - 06:53pm PT


"The nuances of the gun debate (along with pretty much every other debate) makes arguing online about as useful as sticking your junk in a meat grinder and turning the handle."...

LOL!!!...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2017 - 09:37pm PT
That pi$$es me off also.
All that Deer jerky and Deer salami going to waste.


An American resource, wasted.

"fullest extent of the law"---unfortunately, this ends up being quite minor in most cases, with everything pled down to misdemeanors with simple fines.
The attitude seems to be that poachers are just exercising their 2nd amendment rights to shoot anything they want.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Oct 12, 2017 - 10:25pm PT
just exercising their 2nd amendment rights to shoot anything they want.

Only when I get a license, or a tag.

Credit: Cosmiccragsman

msiddens

Trad climber
Oct 12, 2017 - 10:50pm PT
Come on this isnít a gun debate. Hope they rot!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Oct 12, 2017 - 11:08pm PT
Yep. Those f*cks represent the actions of the 10's of thousands of law abiding gun owners in the U.S. Seriously?

What's important about your post is that you call attention to this atrocity. What's irrelevant is your attempt to connect this behavior to gun owners and advocates of gun rights.

Of course "gun owners" in Chicago's gangs, or most other Democrat run inner cities don't care about this. They're to busy dodging bullets. But the great majority of gun rights advocates in the US are appalled by this kind of thing.
Degaine

climber
Oct 13, 2017 - 02:07am PT
cragnshag wrote:
Wanton cruelty to animals by humans existed long before gunpowder was invented.

Indeed.

My apologies for potentially derailing the discussion, but for those of you who eat meat, especially poultry, pork, and beef that comes from industrial farms, I don't see why you'd really give a sh#t about how these animals were treated. Disgusting and abhorrent behavior for sure, but no more cruel than what goes on at the farms (if you can still call them that) and slaughterhouses to put that steak, chicken breast, or bacon on your plate.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 13, 2017 - 06:38am PT
Throw in spotlighting and those who shoot at animals out of their pickup window? You know, the casual, opportunity based poachers.... Like that time Uncle Boob shot the deer from the front seat and bragged about it? Old Boob was a poacher too. They are legion. Don't let that kid from Nevada convince you otherwise, there are a lot of casually illegal hunters out there and that is called poaching. Too.

Not to be confused with commercial poachers, like the Ukrainian and Russian immigrants around Sacramento killing sturgeon in the sac river for black market caviar sort of thing.

That sh#t goes on way more than a lot of us would like to believe

DMT
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Oct 13, 2017 - 08:31am PT
Yeah it does. When I lived in Seattle my neighbor and his buddies would net wild salmon in the Sammamish slough at night. At least he smoked and ate the fish. Never turned him in but sure thought about it.
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