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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2017 - 01:30am PT
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So Tom Cochrane, master, should I genuflect?
Werner knows more about what is going on than most of the rest of you put together.
Tom, that is such a BS statement. Werner has seen a lot of pain and injury as a SAR person, but many Supertopians have also experienced life.
Tom, I feel sorry for you. I know you do not want my pity, but I'll light a candle for you, actually I never go to church. So when I walk on the beach I will say to the wind, Tom Cochrane, poor soul, help him.
You are deluded.
I started this thread to debate about a man who sits in the West Wing. If he is his own man, or controlled, if he is a puppet or the Deep State has captured him, or whatever. But he is the face of our country.
I admit, I do not live in America. Probably never will again, I am happy where I am. But I am still an American (since 1640, so to speak). I still care about the US, big time. I just do not live there. Trump (his administration and policies) will affect you more than me, but they will still have a huge ripple effect.
I like Werner, but unlike you, I do not bow to his sentiment or deify him like you seem to. He is no yogi or yoda. And this thread is not about him. It is about a president who seems to have no clue.
And indeed, about the people who put him there. And yes, I think Dirtbag nailed it in the post above.
I am not saying that Dirtbag said this by the way, but he did put it quite succinctly on why, seemingly, the voters put Trump in power.
Trump is just a sign of a dysfunctional society, of a dysfunctional nation. Sometimes being on the outside looking in, sheds some light. I am not the beacon, but I do think.
Putin is not a clown, nor are those in Beijing. They see a weakness. And again, I do not want to make this us against them. We all Iive on the same planet (yeah, I just realised that), there are dynamics.
We have a president who is short on, just about everything.
I have worked on the nationals, I know that the corporate world has taken over journalism. But there are still some true voices out there.
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We are climbers (yes I still do, not at the level I would like though, but it is my first love.) But this is a climber's forum. How many of you have sat around a campfire at C4 and just talked climbing, especially when the beer and wine was flowing and the air smelt like "herb". Politics and sport never came into the equation? (1973-1976, off and on, I am one of the nameless ones. I did free solo the Heart, but nobody took notice, hah hah. I climbed with Charlie a couple of times, how he climbed the Shield, is legend.)
I understand that some may think this is a lark. Why get so serious?
Why get my knickers in a twist? Good question. I have no answer. Well, I do, but...
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And while I wait for the plumber to come to install a new shower, I reflect, is Tom a Troll? Am I getting a sweat up over some juvenile posting (what was his name? AJ or something his 'dad' posted as... I forget) who just may be a WUM? Tom are you a windup merchant?
I don't know, I just sold some work, the plumber is now arriving, it is a beautiful day and the beach is 60 meters away, and inviting. Aggie, the pup (she has grown, everybody loves her) is straining at the leash, so to speak, Betty is off killing mice (she dragged one in last night, yeck), there is very, very little climbing down here (maybe California does beckon).
And this is now over 12 years of me making a fool on the Taco Stand. And I love it.
Best wishes to all.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2017 - 03:38am PT
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And by the way, I have lost a lot of mementos in the many moves (five countries) I have made. Careless of me, though twice boxes were stolen off moving vans. My clarinet, passed down from my brothers. I just had it recorked. (that took a while, spell check kept changing it on me re-corked is not recorded).
I had a 1948 Ford pickup with a home made camper on back. For reasons, to be cheap, it had a psychedelic paint job (caused me trouble in Manteca and Escalaon, and the Valley EDIT police officers did not like the patterns).
I parked it in Camp Four, Bridwell loved it, so he told me. It stuck out like a sore thumb. I was not trying to make a statement, I was 19-20 and the paint job just happened. I am no radical, though many teachers would dispute that.
I don't suppose any of you may have photos of it. It was my C4 home (as well as my tent) for a while.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dirtbag is right.
Werner is right.
Patrick Sawyer is Right.
Tom Cochrane is right.
Lex Tillerdone is way Right.
I'm right.
Trump Does Suck.
Every single day.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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and so on...
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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It’s depressing, and the main reason why you can’t really discuss substantive issues with die hard trumpkins—they don’t care.
And once you start talking about trump to one of his supporters, they quit listening.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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And further more, and on & on, for what it's worth,
Choices (forced by propagandize information Fake & real);=\) have consequencesIf only 'capping' yourself were also a symptom of the personality dis-order that now hobbles this world
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2017 - 09:27am PT
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Patrick Sawyer is Right.
Wade, I see your point, and yes I started this thread, so "point" me out.
But what do all these memes you posted show? Enter the debate and do not rely on others' memes to substantiate your view.
Is Trump a threat or not? Do you support his views and post memes to try and to ridicule those who are asking questions?
I have seen your posts in the past, now prove some substance.
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And I do await somebody telling me that since I do not live in the US, I should just shut up. And my reply would be, "what planet do you live on?"
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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He is there to distract and they love him for it; they will have to be forced to act to impeach (or whatever) because it takes a caustic individual to distract from what they are trying to accomplish.
Quick example:
Look at new legislation to gut the Wilderness Act - “Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement (SHARE) Act of 2017”
There are other despicable going-ons, just start poking around and avoid any news related to the prez and instead, focus on congress and what they are working on.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Hey BJ, it is a different bill:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2406
I'll have to re-read it and point out the areas of it that would allow changes to how we manage wilderness now. I'm not blowing you (bad pun, not intended!!)off but I can't remember and have Friday deadlines, oh and a feeble mind!
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Ooops, my bad, thanks for the clarification BJ; I'll have to gut my own spewings to a greater degree next time.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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I have to get back to work here too, but re:
Look at new legislation to gut the Wilderness Act - “Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement (SHARE) Act of 2017”
Not sure how that bill guts the Wilderness Act
How the Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement (SHARE) Act of 2017 Undermines the Wilderness Act:
http://wildernesswatch.org/images/wild-issues/2017/07-2017-WW-Analysis-SHARE-Act.pdf
excerpt:
The discussion draft of the SHARE Act would give hunting, fishing, recreational shooting, and fish and wildlife management top priority in Wilderness, rather than protecting the areas’ wilderness character, as has been the case for over 50 years.
This bill would allow endless, extensive habitat manipulations in Wilderness under the guise of “wildlife conservation” and for providing hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting experiences.
It would allow the construction of “temporary” roads to facilitate such uses and would allow the construction of dams, buildings, or other structures within Wildernesses. It would exempt all of these actions from National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) review.
Finally, the SHARE Act would remove Wilderness Act prohibitions for agency managers against motor vehicle use for any management activities related to fishing, hunting, or recreational shooting, or for any wildlife conservation activities .
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2017 - 01:28pm PT
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So these past few days, indeed, weeks, Aggie has been more feisty and less cooperative. She (border collie/lab) is turning three. About an adolescent for a dog.
I never had children. But I was once a teenager (yeah, really).
Research shows that when a kid reaches 14 (perhaps a bit younger with a girl, they mature faster), their brain turns to a sort of, mush, let's call it. Apparently it is around that age that a kid thinks they know everything.
When I was 14 I told my mom I was the smartest person on the planet. Then, when I was 15, what a downer to know that I was not anywhere near the smartest, by a long stretch. It put a damper on things. (I was still leading 5.9 though, now seven year olds are leading that).
Aggie is at that difficult age (I am a trained ethologist, I do not believe in Adam and Eve). If one believes in evolution, are the animals not similar to us? I mean, Aggie acting the brat, like a 14-year-old. Like an adolescent.
So, we have a president, who seems to be going through a very late adolescence. Very late. Do we pamper him, "poor darling, you'll get over it in a year or so", or do we slap him. What would a good parent do?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2017 - 02:07pm PT
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Hi Dwain, no beer tonight or wine, my budget does not allow it. And no, I am not as smart as you are. And are you as smart as Trump?
He has four bankruptcies. You are on your first, right? Keep it up.
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Dwain, I am not here to spar with you.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2017 - 02:33pm PT
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So despite Cosmic trying to diss me, I see a clown throwing out paper towels. If it was not so pathetic I would laugh.
Oh, I should shut up, I do not live in America. I get emails.
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WBraun
climber
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Trump is the Trojan horse that the criminals rode in on.
You clown American politards here have no clue who those criminals are.
Trump doesn't need to be smart.
The criminals run everything from afar where you can't even see or know them unless you research this from outside of mainstream media (MSM).
MSM has no clue who these people are either.
They (MSM) are as st00pid as YOU.
That's why all you nutcase politards are locked onto the trojan horse only.
Meanwhile, the virus spreads invisibly all while you fools stare at Trump all day long ......
(Don't bother replying Pat as we already know all your replies, plus I don't give a sh!t what you think)
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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I'll have to gut my own spewings to a greater degree next time.
That's the theme for all of these stupid politard threads.
You loons say the same sh**t over and over. Regurgitating MSM BS. All day long drooling here dining on Trump Taco's
Apathy in it's most pure form
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2017 - 02:54pm PT
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Okay
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chapter IV
Big Wall climber
kinda fluid
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of all the valiant and beautiful expressions mankind can muster,
america offers the world a government based on greed, ignorance, hate and most of all, fear.
hold your head low, fellow americans, because we now stand crooked, a society limpping towards rehab.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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And to think some of you guys still think adding fluoride to the water has no effect on human intelligence. lol
One story I heard in my deep perusal of youtube alt-news sites (I think it was Paul Craig Roberts?) is that the whole North Korea story is just a front giving the US a cover for getting nukes closer to China. hmmmm
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