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monolith

climber
state of being
Oct 4, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
Keep practicing, Toker. Someday you will be an NRA hero.
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Oct 4, 2017 - 06:18pm PT
Obviously, the shooting was a Liberals's conspiracy to take our guns away!

Moose
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 4, 2017 - 08:42pm PT
But some people did not believe they were under attack and rebuffed orders to evacuate. “That’s fireworks,” one bystander shouted at officers. Another yelled expletives when told to take cover.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 4, 2017 - 08:50pm PT
Moose?

Re your post?

Obviously, the shooting was a Liberals's conspiracy to take our guns away!

Moose

Are you trying to suck-up to Cosmic?
locker

climber
Oct 4, 2017 - 09:02pm PT

"What would the media have said to a wealthy 64 year old psychopath shot by a wealthy 63 year old with the world's finest heavy battle rifle?"...


~~~


"Get ahold of yourself Bonaparte!!!"...
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Oct 4, 2017 - 09:54pm PT
Fritz, I am just predicting what conspiracy theorists gonna say.

Moose
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Oct 5, 2017 - 01:57am PT
What would the media have said to a wealthy 64 year old psychopath shot by a wealthy 63 year old with the world's finest heavy battle rifle?
There'd be less calls for "gun control".

I suspect that if you had pulled a long gun out during that chaos another conceal carry wannabe or amped up cop would have capped you.

While your wet dream did not come true, the following story actually happened at the Tucson shooting of Gabby Giffords

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41018893/ns/slate_com/t/armed-giffords-hero-nearly-shot-wrong-man/#.WdXy7miPKc0

Zamudio was in a nearby drug store when the shooting began, and he was armed. He ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer. Television interviewers are celebrating his courage, and pro-gun blogs are touting his equipment. "Bystander Says Carrying Gun Prompted Him to Help," says the headline in the Wall Street Journal.
But before we embrace Zamudio's brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let's hear the whole story. "I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!'"
But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.
Zamudio agreed:

Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 5, 2017 - 07:30am PT
"I could have taken him out, if I were there."

The battle cry of manufacturers to ratchet up production on another 100 million firearms. Since the 300 million on the streets clearly were not enough and at least 17 of them were in use at the time.

Who made the bump stock and why aren't they under arrest for mass murder? If that's a bit of a legal stretch, then let's name them and their company, the folks who made those weapons, one by one, at every funeral they are partly responsible for.

DMT
c wilmot

climber
Oct 5, 2017 - 07:41am PT
Bump stocks were approved for US sales by the ATF who were under the leadership of obama in 2010.

Blame them
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 5, 2017 - 07:42am PT
OK. I'll include the sonsofbitches who make them, too.

DMT
c wilmot

climber
Oct 5, 2017 - 07:47am PT
Why?

Companies propose all sorts of dangerous products that they wish to sell to US consumers. In America we are reliant on our federal govt to protect us from ourselves when it comes to dangerous products
It's not an open market- if it were there would be no demand for such a product- people would just buy a full auto rifle

But that's not how it works...
Blame the people who approved this devise to be sold
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 5, 2017 - 07:50am PT
Semi and automatic weapons should obviously be banned and hangun permits should be severely restricted. Shotguns and single shot rifles should be allowed for hunting and target practice.

Banned weapons already owned should not be grandfathered in, a three month period should be established for citizens to hand them in. Gun owners should be compensated for the value of the metal.
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 5, 2017 - 07:53am PT
OK I blame Obama and the ATF

I blame Trump for not rescinding the approval

I blame the NRA for supporting them and pioneering there development

I do not support them and have not purhased any


Do you support them? Have you purchased any?





Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 5, 2017 - 07:54am PT
Why?

Try to follow along here. They make weapons for the sole purpose of mass murder, that's why.

So it's their fault too.

DMT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 5, 2017 - 09:11am PT
Certainly not a wet dream for me, more like the stuff of nightmares (but would have sought a cop to cover my back).


Look at the numbers. How many were shot vs trampled?

As for why, we may never know. Wasn't the Texas tower shooter found to have a large brain tumor?
This guy acquired most of his combat rifles in just the past year (unlike myself). He even did a dry run at another event.

And why country music? According to my nephew they are the only fans that still buy CDs.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 5, 2017 - 09:15am PT
An article in the L.A. Times today, explains some of the physics of the shooting for the physics-challenged among us.



The trigonometry of terror: Why the Las Vegas shooting was so deadly


Credit: Fritz

More here:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-the-trigonometry-of-terror-why-the-las-1507085772-htmlstory.html
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 5, 2017 - 09:23am PT
So in a magical unicorn fantasyland kinda place where you could make the icky scary black guns just go away..... You can't of course, real machineguns were used to kill scores of people in France and the rest of Europe recently, along with trucks and bombs. Pretty sure those are all illegal.


But let's for a moment pretend....

You don't think there's methods to kill 22,000 tightly packed people even more effectively than a rifle? If you believe it was really this guy they're blaming, he was educated and owned planes.

These events trigger emotions which then result in illogical thinking.

Fact is, if you've got a nutcase or several of them that want to kill and maim soft targets... they will. Particularly true in the case where the perps don't care much about living through it.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Oct 5, 2017 - 10:57am PT
So in a magical unicorn fantasyland kinda place where you could make the icky scary black guns just go away..... You can't of course, real machineguns were used to kill scores of people in France and the rest of Europe recently, along with trucks and bombs. Pretty sure those are all illegal.


But let's for a moment pretend....

You don't think there's methods to kill 22,000 tightly packed people even more effectively than a rifle? If you believe it was really this guy they're blaming, he was educated and owned planes.

These events trigger emotions which then result in illogical thinking.

Fact is, if you've got a nutcase or several of them that want to kill and maim soft targets... they will. Particularly true in the case where the perps don't care much about living through it.

Good point.
Here's another way to think about it.
The suicide rate in the US is roughly similar to the rate in most European countries. (Rates vary from country to country--I just mean big picture.)
In the US, suicide is very often by gun; in Europe, it rarely is.
So if we got rid of guns, would our suicide rate magically be cut in half?

Seem very unlikely to me--more likely people would just other methods.

Not saying I'm opposed to gun control; just pointing out that there seems to be some delusional thinking going on here. Unfortunately, somewhat intelligent and resourceful lunatics can do a lot of damage by a lot of methods.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 5, 2017 - 11:03am PT
So in a magical unicorn fantasyland kinda place where you could make the icky scary black guns just go away..... You can't of course, real machineguns were used to kill scores of people in France and the rest of Europe recently, along with trucks and bombs. Pretty sure those are all illegal.


But let's for a moment pretend....

You don't think there's methods to kill 22,000 tightly packed people even more effectively than a rifle? If you believe it was really this guy they're blaming, he was educated and owned planes.

These events trigger emotions which then result in illogical thinking.

Fact is, if you've got a nutcase or several of them that want to kill and maim soft targets... they will. Particularly true in the case where the perps don't care much about living through it.

Good point.
Here's another way to think about it.
The suicide rate in the US is roughly similar to the rate in most European countries. (Rates vary from country to country--I just mean big picture.)
In the US, suicide is very often by gun; in Europe, it rarely is.
So if we got rid of guns, would our suicide rate magically be cut in half?

Seem very unlikely to me--more likely people would just other methods.

Not saying I'm opposed to gun control; just pointing out that there seems to be some delusional thinking going on here. Unfortunately, somewhat intelligent and resourceful lunatics can do a lot of damage by a lot of methods.

Delusional Solution: MORE GUNS.

DMT
Mike Friedrichs

Sport climber
City of Salt
Oct 5, 2017 - 11:04am PT
As an epidemiologist working in suicide I can tell you that there are several well done studies that show that limiting access to guns (locking them in safes, trigger locks, removing them from the home) reduces suicides, especially among adolescents. Suicide is the leading cause of death for adolescents in Utah.
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