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Trad climber
the middle of CA
Oct 5, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
If guns are outlawed we're gonna need a bolder wall to enforce it :)



Ice climber
Oct 5, 2017 - 08:14pm PT
Once the man spotted the shooter, he raised his middle finger and finally ducked, the video shows.

San Diego man in Las Vegas for last weekend’s county music festival says he stayed in a Mandalay Bay hotel room directly below gunman Stephen Paddock and that Paddock complained repeatedly that he was playing his music too loudly.


Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 5, 2017 - 10:13pm PT
listen to it ...

belt fed machine gun?


there's a lot of citizen journalism showing up from people who were there

numerous reports of multiple shooters going on for over an hour

police scanners talking about wounding two shooters and hunting three or four others

ex-military experienced machine gunners able to identify the weapons by sound

the main stream controlled media is only going to report the government line

of course you can expect the experts on supertopo know better than military experts and eye witnesses
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Oct 6, 2017 - 06:54am PT
I know, here's a partial solution. Kevlar crowd umbrellas. Got the idea from the shield wall defense

But shields would be a little unweildy at a country music concert.

This is even better


Ice climber
Oct 6, 2017 - 07:54am PT
Go out somewhere and mark off 400 yards. Go back to your starting point. Take a gander at what you can see.

This photo purports to be 300 yards.

Lining up a 300-yard pistol shot with a 1911, you can just barely make out the targets at the berm.

But he had scopes. So what?

One thing about these "long" gunz, it's harder to shoot yourself in the foot or to shoot your tiny dick off.


Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 9, 2017 - 08:56pm PT

Edward Curtin Says You Can’t Know What Happened In Las Vegas Unless You Yourself Investigate

state of being
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:07pm PT
Must be an exciting time for you, Cochrane.
Ojai Alex

Trad climber
Alex Bury
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:12pm PT
It's called a phalanx. Jeez.

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:36pm PT
certainly don't need the excitement of false flag operations

much prefer rock and ice climbing, sky diving, SCUBA diving, flying, sailing,skiing, motorcycling, scenic exploring, and picnicking with female companionship

state of being
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:43pm PT
Better look into those california fires. Bet you will find false flag evidence there as well.

You can find and create them in all chaotic events. It's so much fun.

The Good Places
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:44pm PT
it was only a matter of time before the crossbow lobby destroyed the second amendment like this.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:48pm PT
Always remember, the policeman is your friend:


Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:49pm PT
It is much easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled
-Mark Twain

A letter that purports to be from a general surgeon who dealt with gunshot wounds in military hospitals: He links to a video of an operation on a real leg gunshot wound, its life threatening nature, and the incapacity that it inflicts for a long time even if the operation is successful. He compares this to the rosy-cheeked laughing alleged victims shown on YouTube with gunshot wounds in support of the official story and says without equivocation that they are actors, badly acting the part.

I appreciate the reader’s point that none of the 527 wounded have died from the wounds. This is not what happens in reality. I am posting the letter below from the surgeon in the hopes that knowledgeable surgeons, military medics, anyone with knowledge of gunshot trauma will assess it’s truth and provide their name and credentials. Not being a military surgeon who has treated gunshot wounds, I cannot attest to the validy of the letter. But there are those who can. Retired surgeons and former military medics can still speak their minds. So let us hear from you. I will compile your comments and present them without your name.

As for my readers, this is the deal: If there are validatated replies, I will provide a report, and that will be the conclusion of my participation in this issue. If there are no validated replies, I will conclude that no qualified people are willing to commit one way or the other on the issue. Without expert opinion, the matter cannot be resolved.

This is the letter from the person who represents himself as a surgeon familiar with gunshot trauma. It was sent to a person named Jack and forwarded to me. I eliminated “Jack” so that it would read to you simply as the expression of a purported trama surgeon’s opinion. Note also, that all of the fake videos of the wounded to which links are supplied have been removed from YouTube. Apparantly, as people are catching on, the authorities are being more careful about their “fake news.”

“As a patriotic American, I must say I was, like most people here, initially totally shocked by the Las Vegas shooting and I hate to admit naively believed the media. However, after receiving disturbing emails about it, with references to others with doubts, I began to look at the media reports with more suspicion, and from a medical point of view primarily the almost complete absence of blood on site from the around 550 victims apparently shot was an immediate give away.

“I am a retired general surgeon, and when younger served in a number of military hospitals in Asia and the Middle East, and I can assure you, few would have had such extensive experience in treating bullet wounds as I. Unless you’ve actually seen bullet wounds from a clinical perspective from high powered weapons they claim were used in the shooting, it is hard to appreciate the extent that the mainstream media are plainly lying.

“Most of these military style weapons now shoot high velocity bullets above 3000 f.p.s. muzzle velocity and when these bullets strike a human body they often cause the bullet to yaw (or tumble) and fragment into about a dozen pieces of various sizes thus creating wounds way out of proportion to the calibre size. Often these wounds are so devastating many have considered the modern M16 type assault rifle rounds (and other similar type of rounds) to be inhuman. Most media sources claim the victims were hit at a range of about 500 meters. To use the U.S military M16 assault rifle as an example. It uses 5.56 x 45 mm high velocity, flat trajectory cartridges giving it an effective range of about 200 meters, but with now more common M855 cartridges and heavier projectiles this is increased to 600 meters, with the bullet being lethal to over 3000 yards or 2700 meters. The M855 round produces massive wounding effects. After about 200 yards, as the velocity declines the projectile is less likely to fragment when it strikes the target, but it still does a huge amount of damage, way above wounds delivered from a regular hand gun for example.

“So with this knowledge in mind, I have now viewed most of the mainstream media reports on YouTube of the victims in hospital and I can assure you they are all actors and not one of these people is a legitimate patient. Being shot with a high-powered weapon and struck with a high velocity bullet is a very trumatic experience and indeed more patients routinely die from the trauma rather than the wound itself. Yet all these patients being interviewed in bed are not surrounded with emergency care diagnostic equipment at all, are looking completely normal, relaxed and comfortable. This is not how patients feel one or two days after being shot with a high-powered assault weapon I can assure you and even if its only in the leg it is still serious. Here is a short YouTube video of what many typical gunshot wounds to the leg of a patient actually looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cDIjCwl3n0

“Here is possibly some of the greatest government/mainstream media/propaganda yet about the Las Vegas shooting, showing President Trump actually visiting a patient in a Las Vegas hospital who apparently was shot through the leg. I can assure you, if he had genuinely been shot through the leg with a high velocity bullet as they claim, he would not, so soon after the event, be able to stand up, neither would he have the desire to do so. This is a disgrace, and one finds it impossible to accept President Trump does not know it is all a completely staged event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ucMWOatho

“Here are a couple more videos of these supposed victims in hospital that have been shot. Every one of them are not legitimate patients at all, but are plainly actors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gySdhRhWGVE and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_LFKvz3W2w Note: in this video the girl patients are almost uncontrollably laughing, knowing that they are lying. During one or two days after getting shot through the hip with a high powered assault weapon and after having been operated on, I can assure you no patient is ever laughing or looking like this!

“Lastly, in the past material has been ‘censored’ off the Internet, and in relation to this recent Las Vegas shooting, links have been blocked over the last 2 or 3 days as well. You might like know that you are not on your own. Because both Facebook and YouTube are working together to censor everything they and the government doesn’t like and don’t want the public to know.

“YouTube has just changed its search algorithms from Thursday night 5th October 2017, to block and censor all the most persuasive videos making claims that the Las Vegas shooting event is a hoax, designing them conspiracy theories, especially videos exposing the crisis actors involved portraying themselves as victims in hospital. These are not wild allegations. It is from their own public admissions. Here is a report showing, “YouTube takes action against offensive conspiracy videos that claim Las Vegas massacre was a hoax.” The arrogance of it all! This is the resurrection of Nazi Germany all over again.

“Therefore, my conclusion is that the whole event was staged, there were no real shooters at all, and probably even Stephen Paddock’s brother is a crisis actor as well. When a handful of powerful wicked men like this control the banks, the global mainstream media and the government, no one can effectively now speak up to criticize, because when they do their words will never be published or heard. I think the real reason why they are using actors and staged events like this at this early stage, is that when they use real, bigger more serious events in the future, those patriots who have previously exposed these earlier events as not being real, will be made to appear stupid. Hopefully I have helped clarify this medical aspect at least.

Yours truly.
Dr K.S.

Gunshot Wound To The Leg Surgery At Shock Trauma
Surgery for a gunshot wound to the leg at the University of Maryland’s Shock trauma Center.

state of being
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:50pm PT
Here's a head start on the fire conspiracy for you, Cochrane:

It's all tied in with weather manipulation,kennedy papers, etc so "connects all the dots" as you guys like to say.

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 9, 2017 - 10:14pm PT
"conspiracy theory" is a psychological trigger telling you to stop thinking

it doesn't require any "conspiracy theories" to observe that we are being barraged by very disturbing events tearing at the fabric of our society

my home is in the woods and vulnerable to the massive forest fires we've been having ... you don't need alert me to the dangers of dry windy weather in overgrown forests ... been breathing plenty of smoke around here recently, as I'm a member of the local volunteer fire department and fought several wild fires this season

it also doesn't take a historical scholar to realize the public has been extensively manipulated to give up their rights and support wars

sorry if my comments and references disturb your attempts to remain comfortably oblivious and in denial
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 10, 2017 - 12:04am PT
Yours truly.
Dr K.S.

Tom, you are such a sucker.

Physicians don't obscure their names when making professional observations, we put our names on our opinions. Just the fact that this was put up without his name, means that you've been sucked in by a faker.

I'd think that would make you quite angry. I'd think it would make you be skeptical of such things.

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 10, 2017 - 12:35am PT
please notice that i'm skeptical of just about everything

not trying to prove anything ... just enlisting help in understanding events which appear intentionally confusing

some people here care less about the story and more about proving themselves right and others wrong

i could care less about that as other people here provide interesting insights

i first learned to distrust the press while reading newspaper stories about 1960's climbs in Yosemite when i was there

the stories mainly tell you that something happened, not to trust what it was that happened

when a story is reported, it's just an invitation to look into the incident for yourself

a lot of stuff is backwards and upside down ... don't believe anything until it is denied by the authorities

you don't have to believe that 'authority' either, but it's an interesting perspective

and there's more to that story than we can know without further light shown on the subject

we have to do our own research to determine the truth of things
Robert L

Oct 10, 2017 - 01:46am PT
When does skepticism transpire into cynacism?

Do you want there to be a conspiracy?

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 10, 2017 - 02:30am PT
those are good questions, perhaps belonging on a philosophy thread

skepticism implies a lack of trust in reported information

cynicism implies giving up on dreams for positive futures

(of course we know that powerful and wealthy people never conspire and plan together ;-)

lots of people make lots of plans, and some of those plans happen

unfortunately on this planet it seems some people who seek power and wealth commonly turn to the dark side for inspiration

my work at US EPA and DOE taught me that certain powers-that-be are intentionally poisoning everything to control the population problem

however we don't have a population problem ... we have a management problem

my conspiracy is for people to shed light on exploitative and destructive behavior that benefits only a few, and replace with behavior that cares for all people and the ecology of the planet to produce a wonderful healthy living environment where human society collaborates as caretakers to constantly improve the health of the planet

you are all encouraged to join such conspiracies for positive futures

most of my professional career was spent developing large scale systems models for EPA, DOE, DOI, and NASA to help coordinate such positive views of the future

Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
Oct 11, 2017 - 08:31pm PT
Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre

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