Avery suicide attempt. Very recent!

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Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:09am PT
How would his brother know his password?

Browser auto-login to Taco on a PC with auto-login to the operating system, would be one way. Or he uses the same pwd for everything and it was obtained for other access purposes, such as getting to files on the computer, med records and such?

DMT
SomebodyAnybody

Big Wall climber
Torrance
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:18am PT
Many people use password/login features in their browsers that can retain passwords and usernames and auto-populate them when faced with a login page. The only thing I routinely login to is my laptop when I restart it, and I only restart it about once a week.

So if one of my relatives showed up, they could get into any site I use by navigating to the site and hitting enter key.

Winter's almost over down there, Patrick, plenty to live for. Sun, sand, surf, and scantily clad shielas, might as well stick around and enjoy them.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:24am PT
Well, the brother said it was an attempt,
so maybe Avery gave him the password.

Or, like the above posts Avery had his
computer set up to remember the password.
monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:37am PT
The taco cookie keeps you logged in always, unless you request logout. That's how DMT got caught using the Lady Scarlet account. He forgot to log out.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:39am PT
Oh Brother Where Art Thou?

Avery, we love you man. Keep posting. How about a desert tower series?
Arne
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:46am PT
"How would he know his password"
You have to be kidding, right?

Beside the completely obvious autofill on every smart device and computer on the planet, My husband and my sister have the passwords to every account I own. There are these things, called "emergencies", that people prepare for. Like, people you love that don't live with you often have a key to your house.

I don't know how it works in New Zealand, but I know from experience that in the US, a suicide attempt can result in a 3 day involuntary hold, after which you may or may not be released, depending on whether you are still considered a danger to yourself at that time.

I have had relatives held 3 days to 10 days under such circumstances, and you do not have your phone. You don't have a computer and you don't have shoelaces. The drawstrings are taken out from pants and hoodies. Clothing with zippers pulls that could be sharpened are not allowed.

The last time this happened, the person in question gave their phone to me with the unlocking passcode so I could communicate on their behalf. Just because you are suicidal doesn't mean you are unconscious or unable to communicate your thoughts.

Avery, when you are able to see these messages, I hope you will feel the caring people have for you. You have been here long enough to know that there are always a few insensitive posters. You can sometimes take these too much to heart. Please ignore them and focus on the positive.
Phyl


L

climber
Tiptoeing through the chilly waters of life
Sep 29, 2017 - 09:52am PT
Depression is a relentless, insidious killer. It's real, and it's pervasive.

If you're biologically/genetically susceptible to it, it's a lifelong companion cradling a dagger at your back.

You will not always know what will set it off. Although science has done a good job of guessing at the triggers, it has not discovered them all, nor has medical science cured depression.

For those of you who haven't experienced the devastating effects of having a self-murdering mind, and feel the need to question the OP's motives, it would be an act of the greatest compassion if you would just leave this thread alone.

Let the people who care about Avery have a little time with him here.

Thanks.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Sep 29, 2017 - 09:57am PT
That's how DMT got caught using the Lady Scarlet account.

Haha that's a goddamn lie.

I have one login. Its been used since this site had a real log in capability. I have never logged in using any other credential, ever.

DMT
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Sep 29, 2017 - 10:07am PT
My youngest brother took his own life in 1999.
Our family was devastated and carries a wound that will never completely heal.

Wishing Avery and his family the best.

PB
John M

climber
Sep 29, 2017 - 10:33am PT
Depression is a relentless, insidious killer. It's real, and it's pervasive.

If you're biologically/genetically susceptible to it, it's a lifelong companion cradling a dagger at your back.

You will not always know what will set it off. Although science has done a good job of guessing at the triggers, it has not discovered them all, nor has medical science cured depression.

For those of you who haven't experienced the devastating effects of having a self-murdering mind, and feel the need to question the OP's motives, it would be an act of the greatest compassion if you would just leave this thread alone.

Let the people who care about Avery have a little time with him here.

Thanks.

This is worth rereading multiple times. L.. you have very good mother bear energy.

There is one thing that I disagree with what she wrote and that is that depression is a life long companion. I don't believe this. I fully believe that I will beat it. And am beating it. Though it is insidious and still hangs around.

Avery.. though it feels like its whupping you at times, you can beat this. And so what if it won a battle or two, you are still here so it hasn't won everything. And even if you wanted it to win, there are days when the sun shines and you can feel the joy of living. So I hope that you will reach for those days and don't let that rat bastard of suicidal energy win.

And as for the Taco.. Look at DMT's post. If you have followed his posts over the years, then you will have seen that for some reason a few posters don't like him and have come after him at times with a vengeance. ( I am not talking about monolith here )... DMT has learned to deal with peoples hate. He doesn't get bitter. He rarely ever gets mean anymore. He tries to defends himself with dignity and with laughter. I respect him for that. Its something to learn. We could all use a bit of that knowledge.

If you were here when I first joined the forum, I was very bitter at life for my health problems, both physical and mental. I hung it out here more then once and looked like a whiney bitch at times. (some people probably still think that I am a whiney bitch.. hahaha.. some folks have long memories and can't let stuff go ) But I learned. and so have others. And so can you. How to roll with the punches. Even the punches life deals you. Get up off the mat Avery. learn to duck and weave with grace and rejoin the living. Life might surprise you when you least expect it. You might find that you like it. And once you beat that rat bastard suicide and depression, then you become an example for others who are dealing with it. Because there are all too many on this planet dealing with it. The climbing community should be very aware of this. Plenty of well respected and well liked people have succumbed to it. So its a fight. Shakespeare even described it. To Be or Not to Be. That is the question. "Being" can be tough. Especially when there is a rat bastard out there like depression and it takes up residence in your mind. So I won't sugar coat it. Its a grade six A5 climb. It high altitude alpine. You just took a big whipper. Now its time to get up and keep climbing. The top is worth it, though when you are beat, and cold, and tired, and sick, it may not seem like it. And getting to the top sometimes means retreating for awhile. I always think about Donnini's picture of him in that snow cave, when he was sick and it was desperate. You know the one. He fought through, though they had to retreat. He retreated so that he could live and try again another day. Live Avery. Retreat when you have to and live so that some day you can get to the top. The view is so much better above the clouds.

Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
Sep 29, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about your brother Avery. I hope for the best outcome for him, you, and your family who are all coping.

Maybe the positive support from this virtual community as shown in this thread can bring some light into his dark world that he cannot seem to get out of at times.

I know you did not come here to ask for suggestions and solutions, but a thought came to me and I can't help but put it out there, esp. if the loved ones are scratching their heads wondering what could help Avery. Do you think it would help to introduce one or two rescued animals (esp. cats or dogs) that are in need of care into his life? In my untrained point of view, a person is willing to take his own life because he does not feel a need to be in this world. Even if he realizes that his action may bring pain to people who love him, he also understands that pain will fade and everybody will move on with their lives without him eventually. But that perception might change once he bonds with companion animals and feels being needed and depended on by another loving and trusting living creature. Some animals do have that magic power to make you feel that you are indispensable to them, and that sometimes is enough of a reason to live on.

Best wishes!
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 29, 2017 - 05:47pm PT
I am all in favor of an Avery exposition of desert tower goodness.

Speaking from myownlifeself: F*#k depression and exiting life early by choice - do what it takes to stay with us here.... You obviously love those mountains and wild places just like the rest of us. Stay here with our imperfect tribe of enthusiasts.


Best to you, Brian, for sharing and bearing this tough stuff.
Rocky IV

Social climber
Sep 29, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
Avery, you are one of the very best aspects of this forum, reaching out and compiling scattered fragments of information into one clear and concise package. Stick around, you seem like a good soul.
Dan McDevitt

Trad climber
yosemite
Sep 29, 2017 - 07:50pm PT
Avery, here is a pic i thought you might like.
Bridalveil and El Cap &#40;taken from fifi buttress&#41;
Bridalveil and El Cap (taken from fifi buttress)
Credit: Dan McDevitt
Scrubber

climber
Straight outta Squampton
Sep 29, 2017 - 08:02pm PT
You are not alone. Please reach out when you need help.

It is is not weakness, but a sign of strength to know when one needs to ask for help.

Kris
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Sep 30, 2017 - 11:35pm PT
Avery reached out to me in an email today and I sent him a lengthy reply. I hope he gets it. So, he is hanging in there for now and I did the best I could to encourage him and direct him to get help.

My definition of a quality life might be strange or lacking, but Patrick is reading us. Please keep up with any encouragement you may have. He is still with us but hurting, so remain positive as so many here have done.

-tim

PS

I am hoping he comes through all this soon and starts posting to his climbing threads again.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 1, 2017 - 02:52am PT
hey there say, bushman... thank you for sharing...

hey there, say, to you patrick... avery...

we do miss you here... the earth of new zealand will love you
to walk and take photos, as soon as you feel you can...


god bless, and prayers...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 1, 2017 - 08:23am PT
Avery, Neebee expresses herself better than me so read her reply again.
Best wishes, mate! :-)
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Oct 1, 2017 - 08:45am PT
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Oct 1, 2017 - 08:58am PT
Life is lived as a cork, no more than flotsam out on the open sea

peace and fullfilment are only a far off shore,
swim or float, sail or motor,
the sea is a cruel road that favors only perseverance to reach the shore

as a swimmer im at risk, and so i try to float,
my course to salvation is
un-charted.
as the moon wains, dawn still far away,
it is by far these darkest of times
that the beacons serve to show a way.

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