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Avery
climber
New Zealand
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 28, 2017 - 03:20am PT
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I'm his brother Brian, any prayers or thoughts would be most welcome
this is not the first time that this happened
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 03:42am PT
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Brian, thank you fr letting us know. Avery has been a presence on the Forum for a very long time. We have witnessed his struggles from afar, and continue to offer our thoughts and prayers to him in his ongoing battle with depression.
Avery, I hope you can find relief and peace somehow.
Phyl
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 28, 2017 - 04:29am PT
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Phylp pretty much says it for me.
Thanks for the information.
Go with God, Avery.
I'll be praying for you.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Sep 28, 2017 - 06:15am PT
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He wrote me an email to touch bases a few days ago and I had no idea he was in such distress. Wrote him a lengthy reply yesterday but had not sent it until this morning. Hope he gets it...I want him to know that we all have so many ups and downs, and although there is so much heartbreak, tragedy, and struggle, life is so short and fleeting that we must persevere or we might not experience all of it's magic.
-Tim
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 28, 2017 - 07:01am PT
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I'm rooting for you Avery. You are not alone.....life serves up struggles made easier by reaching out to friends and loved ones.
You are a member of the "tribe" and a respected one who keeps our past fresh with your history threads.....we want more!
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Sep 28, 2017 - 07:09am PT
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I hope that Avery will be able to feel our wishes for his health and life in this thread, and not be overwhelmed with feelings of vulnerability in our awareness he is struggling so.
Avery - I don't know you, but will keep you in my thoughts in the hopes that you are able to stay strong and stay with us in this world. While it's true that nobody gets out alive, sometimes it is hard to feel that our presence is welcome, and needed.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Sep 28, 2017 - 07:11am PT
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Dude.
We all struggle in our own ways.
Know that you help create and are part of this fabric of life we all are part of.
And, we're all richer because of it.
Everything in its time.
How 'bout a few mountain images of those NZ alps!
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Sep 28, 2017 - 07:30am PT
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Avery, do whatever you can to fight those demons. You need to be here.
Susan
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Sep 28, 2017 - 07:47am PT
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Avery,
You are a valued member of this community and we all are pulling for you to recover.
Hang on, man.
Rick
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hacky47
Trad climber
goldhill
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Sep 28, 2017 - 08:00am PT
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Sending love your way
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 08:23am PT
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Avery, listen to all the people who care for you -
WE WANT YOU AROUND, MATE!
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 28, 2017 - 08:42am PT
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Read this years ago, found it pretty darn insightful, if not helpful:
Darkness Visible: A Memoir of Madness, William Styron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkness_Visible_(memoir);
I bet you, 10 to 1, Avery is a reader? It's not very long. 86 pages.
If nothing else, Brian, you might read it.
As I recall, Styron underwent voluntary hospitalization, as one might for any near terminal disease.
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JLyons
Sport climber
Cali
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Sep 28, 2017 - 08:59am PT
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I know when I attempt suicide, the first thing I'll do is have my brother post on ST for me
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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Sep 28, 2017 - 09:02am PT
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stay around here! your threads on the mountains and route ascents have been great. i just dont post that often.
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Bldrjac
Ice climber
Boulder
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Sep 28, 2017 - 09:20am PT
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Brian,
Thanks so much for this update. PLEASE tell Avery that we need him here! speaking for myself, he has given me so very much by his postings and support of Jack Roberts, and his routes on Huntington and Denali....sending lots of love!
best,
Pam Roberts
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 09:28am PT
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Avery- Whatever is weighing on you so heavily get some help to work through it and get back to living again. The alternative isn't really one at all.
So stand up mate, I have a bet on you for the long haul and would like to meet you for some ale and a tale or two once I get around to visiting NZ.
You are a good man and are loved and appreciated by many of us here and closer to home.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 10:15am PT
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JLyons, when there are people in your life who love you, who care for you, they will use whatever mechanisms are available to try to reach out to you, to connect with you, and to activate whatever forms of safety net present themselves. Maybe the intimacy and shared human bond of trying to prevent unnecessary death trumps the niceties of personal space and honoring boundaries. For example, when a person needs CPR or a defibrillator, you don't pause to consider whether they might be embarrassed if their shirt is open.
Avery, I don't know you or your circumstances or what you are feeling, but I do know what it is like to feel like there is nothing to look forward to, to think that problems are insurmountable, and that there is no point in trying or that nothing can fix whatever is going on. I have felt that I screwed my life beyond redemption at a couple of different points, that I didn't deserve to be happy. In the end, we all choose what meaning we create in our lives (whether it is handed to us or we have to toil for a lifetime to figure it out), and no matter what our histories, we can all choose how to honor that meaning going forward. Good luck.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sep 28, 2017 - 10:48am PT
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We're all humans - we all have struggles getting our brains to serve us.
I'm sorry to hear about your struggles, Avery.
I'm sorry to see yours, JLyons.
I'm sorry for my kids' brain struggles, and I'm sorry for my own brain struggles.
For all of you who do struggle, and for those fortunate enough to not notice the struggle, my best wishes to you. Hang in there.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Sep 28, 2017 - 12:39pm PT
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Avery, I been thinking about those Kitchatna Spires, lately . . .
I always enjoy your well researched posts. Hang in there, bro . . .
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Sep 28, 2017 - 12:55pm PT
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Pulling for you here, Avery.
You'll make it!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Sep 28, 2017 - 01:12pm PT
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Avery. Hang tough.
Go to the mountains, soak them up, refresh your soul, watch a sunset, wait for the sunrise, soak up some more.. repeat this everyday.
Hoping for the best outcome.
Guy Keesee
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Andy de klerk
Mountain climber
South Africa
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Sep 28, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
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Avery
Thinking of you and all of our coms over the last few years
The sun always rises
You'll find the sun again
Andy
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L
climber
Tiptoeing through the chilly waters of life
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Sep 28, 2017 - 03:49pm PT
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Patrick,
I still have that guide book you sent me, and I'm still planning on using it, possibly next year. It would be great if you stick around and help me not get lost.
Laura
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 28, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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hey there, say, brian... i had wondered why we had not heard from him...
(i had sent him a painting, a few years back, and tried to just keep
in touch, as we are like a community here, to help each other) ...
very sorry to hear this...
it might help to know, that he has tried to ask for help, before...
so at least he has tried...
thank you for sharing with us...
keep contact so we will know how he is doing...
prayers, and hang in there...
:(
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 28, 2017 - 05:05pm PT
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hey there say, avery... and, a post for you, too...
just shared with your brother, first, here, as in case you are not
up to reading yet--
i have a friend that lives in another state...
she said the thing that helped her the most, was this:
when she felt like killing herself, she went directly to someone
she knew and told them, and did NOT care what they must have thought...
she just needed them to know, so she could stop that urge that she could not
control... they, each time, got her someone to talk too, and they talked
through it...
PLEASE, do, when you feel this way, please GO to someone directly and
just don't be ashamed to say 'help me'...
SHE IS still here, after all those times, and has HAD THAT CHANCE to
work through what was 'triggering' her...
our hopes and prayers, avery/patrick are for this SUCCESS for you, too...
find the trigger... that leads to the key 'deactivating that desire' and then:
hope can step in and grow...
growing will keep you strong...
and--wise...
thus, you can be aware if anything new triggers you, again...
she can catch her triggers now, over all these nearly 30 years,
and, with hope and prayers, YOU CAN too...
amen...
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
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Sep 28, 2017 - 06:15pm PT
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Avery , I have always enjoyed your presence here and your posts .
I know you are a good man , hang in there.
Things will get brighter.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Sep 28, 2017 - 08:26pm PT
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Avery so sorry to hear of your struggles. I did mental health work for a long time and firmly believe in eating right, getting some exercise and doing some fun stuff can help as much as any therapy or medication in many circumstances. I know it is not always easy to do but I wish you the best of luck. Little victories can make a big difference.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Sep 29, 2017 - 12:28am PT
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Yeah nice job nut. Well stated.
But I've come to expect that from you and your posts.
I hope Avery gets a chance to peek in on this thread at some point.
Lots of positive vibes being sent your way!!
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Sep 29, 2017 - 12:35am PT
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Hey Avery,
We love you and want you to know that.
S...
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JLyons
Sport climber
Cali
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Sep 29, 2017 - 07:28am PT
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I wasn't trying to be a d#@&%ebag, I just wouldn't be surprised if this was Avery posting in jest, trying to get a reaction from the taco. I hope I'm right, and based on the way his other posts went it would make sense
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c wilmot
climber
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Sep 29, 2017 - 07:56am PT
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How would his brother know his password?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 29, 2017 - 08:37am PT
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The taco cookie keeps you logged in always, unless you request logout. That's how DMT got caught using the Lady Scarlet account. He forgot to log out.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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Sep 29, 2017 - 08:39am PT
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Oh Brother Where Art Thou?
Avery, we love you man. Keep posting. How about a desert tower series?
Arne
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Sep 29, 2017 - 08:46am PT
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"How would he know his password" You have to be kidding, right?
Beside the completely obvious autofill on every smart device and computer on the planet, My husband and my sister have the passwords to every account I own. There are these things, called "emergencies", that people prepare for. Like, people you love that don't live with you often have a key to your house.
I don't know how it works in New Zealand, but I know from experience that in the US, a suicide attempt can result in a 3 day involuntary hold, after which you may or may not be released, depending on whether you are still considered a danger to yourself at that time.
I have had relatives held 3 days to 10 days under such circumstances, and you do not have your phone. You don't have a computer and you don't have shoelaces. The drawstrings are taken out from pants and hoodies. Clothing with zippers pulls that could be sharpened are not allowed.
The last time this happened, the person in question gave their phone to me with the unlocking passcode so I could communicate on their behalf. Just because you are suicidal doesn't mean you are unconscious or unable to communicate your thoughts.
Avery, when you are able to see these messages, I hope you will feel the caring people have for you. You have been here long enough to know that there are always a few insensitive posters. You can sometimes take these too much to heart. Please ignore them and focus on the positive.
Phyl
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L
climber
Tiptoeing through the chilly waters of life
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Sep 29, 2017 - 09:52am PT
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Depression is a relentless, insidious killer. It's real, and it's pervasive.
If you're biologically/genetically susceptible to it, it's a lifelong companion cradling a dagger at your back.
You will not always know what will set it off. Although science has done a good job of guessing at the triggers, it has not discovered them all, nor has medical science cured depression.
For those of you who haven't experienced the devastating effects of having a self-murdering mind, and feel the need to question the OP's motives, it would be an act of the greatest compassion if you would just leave this thread alone.
Let the people who care about Avery have a little time with him here.
Thanks.
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Sep 29, 2017 - 10:07am PT
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My youngest brother took his own life in 1999.
Our family was devastated and carries a wound that will never completely heal.
Wishing Avery and his family the best.
PB
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John M
climber
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Sep 29, 2017 - 10:33am PT
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Depression is a relentless, insidious killer. It's real, and it's pervasive.
If you're biologically/genetically susceptible to it, it's a lifelong companion cradling a dagger at your back.
You will not always know what will set it off. Although science has done a good job of guessing at the triggers, it has not discovered them all, nor has medical science cured depression.
For those of you who haven't experienced the devastating effects of having a self-murdering mind, and feel the need to question the OP's motives, it would be an act of the greatest compassion if you would just leave this thread alone.
Let the people who care about Avery have a little time with him here.
Thanks.
This is worth rereading multiple times. L.. you have very good mother bear energy.
There is one thing that I disagree with what she wrote and that is that depression is a life long companion. I don't believe this. I fully believe that I will beat it. And am beating it. Though it is insidious and still hangs around.
Avery.. though it feels like its whupping you at times, you can beat this. And so what if it won a battle or two, you are still here so it hasn't won everything. And even if you wanted it to win, there are days when the sun shines and you can feel the joy of living. So I hope that you will reach for those days and don't let that rat bastard of suicidal energy win.
And as for the Taco.. Look at DMT's post. If you have followed his posts over the years, then you will have seen that for some reason a few posters don't like him and have come after him at times with a vengeance. ( I am not talking about monolith here )... DMT has learned to deal with peoples hate. He doesn't get bitter. He rarely ever gets mean anymore. He tries to defends himself with dignity and with laughter. I respect him for that. Its something to learn. We could all use a bit of that knowledge.
If you were here when I first joined the forum, I was very bitter at life for my health problems, both physical and mental. I hung it out here more then once and looked like a whiney bitch at times. (some people probably still think that I am a whiney bitch.. hahaha.. some folks have long memories and can't let stuff go ) But I learned. and so have others. And so can you. How to roll with the punches. Even the punches life deals you. Get up off the mat Avery. learn to duck and weave with grace and rejoin the living. Life might surprise you when you least expect it. You might find that you like it. And once you beat that rat bastard suicide and depression, then you become an example for others who are dealing with it. Because there are all too many on this planet dealing with it. The climbing community should be very aware of this. Plenty of well respected and well liked people have succumbed to it. So its a fight. Shakespeare even described it. To Be or Not to Be. That is the question. "Being" can be tough. Especially when there is a rat bastard out there like depression and it takes up residence in your mind. So I won't sugar coat it. Its a grade six A5 climb. It high altitude alpine. You just took a big whipper. Now its time to get up and keep climbing. The top is worth it, though when you are beat, and cold, and tired, and sick, it may not seem like it. And getting to the top sometimes means retreating for awhile. I always think about Donnini's picture of him in that snow cave, when he was sick and it was desperate. You know the one. He fought through, though they had to retreat. He retreated so that he could live and try again another day. Live Avery. Retreat when you have to and live so that some day you can get to the top. The view is so much better above the clouds.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Sep 29, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
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Brian, I'm sorry to hear about your brother Avery. I hope for the best outcome for him, you, and your family who are all coping.
Maybe the positive support from this virtual community as shown in this thread can bring some light into his dark world that he cannot seem to get out of at times.
I know you did not come here to ask for suggestions and solutions, but a thought came to me and I can't help but put it out there, esp. if the loved ones are scratching their heads wondering what could help Avery. Do you think it would help to introduce one or two rescued animals (esp. cats or dogs) that are in need of care into his life? In my untrained point of view, a person is willing to take his own life because he does not feel a need to be in this world. Even if he realizes that his action may bring pain to people who love him, he also understands that pain will fade and everybody will move on with their lives without him eventually. But that perception might change once he bonds with companion animals and feels being needed and depended on by another loving and trusting living creature. Some animals do have that magic power to make you feel that you are indispensable to them, and that sometimes is enough of a reason to live on.
Best wishes!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Sep 29, 2017 - 05:47pm PT
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I am all in favor of an Avery exposition of desert tower goodness.
Speaking from myownlifeself: F*#k depression and exiting life early by choice - do what it takes to stay with us here.... You obviously love those mountains and wild places just like the rest of us. Stay here with our imperfect tribe of enthusiasts.
Best to you, Brian, for sharing and bearing this tough stuff.
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Rocky IV
Social climber
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Sep 29, 2017 - 05:56pm PT
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Avery, you are one of the very best aspects of this forum, reaching out and compiling scattered fragments of information into one clear and concise package. Stick around, you seem like a good soul.
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Dan McDevitt
Trad climber
yosemite
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Sep 29, 2017 - 07:50pm PT
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Avery, here is a pic i thought you might like.
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Scrubber
climber
Straight outta Squampton
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Sep 29, 2017 - 08:02pm PT
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You are not alone. Please reach out when you need help.
It is is not weakness, but a sign of strength to know when one needs to ask for help.
Kris
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Sep 30, 2017 - 11:35pm PT
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Avery reached out to me in an email today and I sent him a lengthy reply. I hope he gets it. So, he is hanging in there for now and I did the best I could to encourage him and direct him to get help.
My definition of a quality life might be strange or lacking, but Patrick is reading us. Please keep up with any encouragement you may have. He is still with us but hurting, so remain positive as so many here have done.
-tim
PS
I am hoping he comes through all this soon and starts posting to his climbing threads again.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, bushman... thank you for sharing...
hey there, say, to you patrick... avery...
we do miss you here... the earth of new zealand will love you
to walk and take photos, as soon as you feel you can...
god bless, and prayers...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Avery, Neebee expresses herself better than me so read her reply again.
Best wishes, mate! :-)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Life is lived as a cork, no more than flotsam out on the open sea
peace and fullfilment are only a far off shore,
swim or float, sail or motor,
the sea is a cruel road that favors only perseverance to reach the shore
as a swimmer im at risk, and so i try to float,
my course to salvation is
un-charted.
as the moon wains, dawn still far away,
it is by far these darkest of times
that the beacons serve to show a way.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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I hope you're doing okay, Avery.
Drop us a note when you get a chance.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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I've always enjoyed your contributions here, Avery. Really. Look hard. There still must be a lot that's worth living for. Hang in there. The storm will pass.
BAd
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Avery - One thing about feeling so down is that there is so much room now on the up side. Reach for it. We're rooting for you.
Wayne Merry
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Avery you are not alone.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, avery... sending out prayers, for you this eve...
god bless...
sometimes, we are like little bulbs, under so much pressure...
however, if we reach for the warm sun, somehow, we PUSH through and
grow... we may still have 'dry, dark quiet seasons' but our
warm and rainy season of GROWTH comes back, each year, and
we are NEW again...
god is our warm sun...
he watches us through the dry, dark seasons, too,
and warms us once again...
we humans, NEED that...
hang in there and grow... and trust...
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WBraun
climber
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Only one post and NO brother and NO Avery?
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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Like I said,"Oh Brother Where Art Thou"?
It is strange you would come on here and share sensitive news and then disappear after such an outpouring of genuine care. Are you really there?
Guess it doesn't really matter, Avery hope your day is OK.
Arne
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Pretty sure I saw him become Pete's friend again on Facebook.
Hope he is OK.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Maybe Avery is better and now realizes the perils of consorting with crankloons?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Reilly .. speak for your self...rj
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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I feared something like this. He messaged me to say he was going to miss me.
Patrick - you might be a bit annoying at times, but I know you have a good heart. And in spite of me being a bit unkind to you sometimes in the past because I was busy, I know you are struggling, and I'm here if you want to message me any time on Facebook.
Hope you're feeling better soon. I lost a good friend Randy Wenzel = Nefarius here on Supertopo this summer to suicide, so please don't be another. Many here love and care about you, and appreciate your difficulties. Don't be afraid to reach out.
You should hop an airplane and come to El Cap before it gets too cold. You need to see this place you love so much and share so much! Come by in the spring, and I can get you up a few pitches on the wall, spend a night in the portaledge, help us prior to blastoff.
It will give you something to look forward to.
Cheers, eh?
Pete
Message anytime, going back on the wall but I'll answer as quickly as possible.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, pete... very nice open post...
sometimes we can't be all we want to be, to everyone...
but, having the heart to care, and try when can, is what counts...
but, we try...
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L
climber
Tiptoeing through the chilly waters of life
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Just heard from Avery. He replied to an email I sent him.
I'm only posting this so that the people on the forum who actually care about this lovely man will know that he hasn't thrown in the towel yet.
As to why he's not posting on the Taco, well....he might be needing his energy for more important things. That's my guess.
It is good to let him know you're thinking about him, though.
We all struggle at one time or another. And we all need the occasional lifeline. That's what community is all about.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Well, then, I hope you are having a very good day, Avery. Cheers!
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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well....he might be needing his energy for more important things
Exactly. If you have never had anyone close to you who is suffering from crippling depression, you may not realize how completely exhausting just getting out of bed can be for them. I would be surprised to see Avery posting here.
Avery, I always keep my eyes out for new articles about depression. In the past year, I learned that up to 1/3 of people with long term depression issues do not get relief from any anti-depression drug regimen. That came as news to me. I guess I had thought that those who were not helped by therapy and drugs were just not compliant on the drugs. I do know how hard it can be for people to stay on their meds, because of the side effects.
But these facts were in news stories about the emerging use of ketamine (off-label) to treat these resistant people, and what good success they are seeing. Maybe something to ask your treatment professional about, if there are trials going on anywhere near you.
Hang in there, Phyl
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Avery emailed again a few days ago to say how summer was coming soon to NZ and he was planning to get up into the mountains there to try and find some of the old magic. He also said it would be healthy for him to take a break from supertopo for a while. I am hopeful for him and I wished him well. Sometimes we a need a change of pace and some fresh air to see the world in a different light.
-Tim
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, L... thanks... i will send him an email then... i was not sure if it was too early... so i had waited...
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Ran into some hardmen from Boulder when I was a the City. I asked if they'd been to the Ruth Gorge and it made me think of the Avery series. Hang in there.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Hey Avery . . . I just wanted to thank you for your superb historic compilations shared here in the Tacosphere. You rank up there with Grossman and Marlow. Your posts are an important resource for information regarding the mountains you have documented.
Best to you!
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Bald Eagle
Trad climber
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Dear Avery sending you positive vibes from over the pond and wishing you many more good times to enjoy.
Cheers
Dave
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Avery, I’ll be spending a month on the South Island beginning 11/20....let’s get together! I’ll be doing two slide shows in Christchurch.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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I've admired the climbing community's ability to rally for eachother. Hope you see the same in others, where ever you may be.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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There have been a number of articles in the news recently about how carefully measured out, mini doses of psychedelics and also ketamine are helping people with depression more effectively than many of the previous approaches.
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L
climber
Just livin' the dream
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That ^^^^^^ was unbelievably interesting and entertaining.
Thanks.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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You will always, almost always, most of you, choose negative emotion over no emotion. Because emotion indicates desire. It’s exciting!
Excerpted from Silver Springs, MD on 4/11/99
Our Love
Esther (Abraham and Jerry)
http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/index.php
(190) I choose the joy of God instead of pain.
Pain is my own idea. It is not a Thought of God, but one I
thought apart from Him and from His Will. His Will is joy,
and only joy for His beloved Son. And that I choose, instead
of what I made.
To read the full lesson
http://www.acim.org/Lessons/lesson.html?lesson=190
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