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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 21, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
The guy is still an ahole

https://www.outsideonline.com/2237386/road-goes-forever-and-story-never-ends

Lance Armstrong has always been a human narrative machine. If you don’t know that by now, you are either too young to under­stand such things or have been in a tent somewhere on a Greenland glacier for the past 20 years. He is a living story, a set of inter­locking, constructed narratives, invented and given life by him, delivered in a series of ascending climaxes. Armstrong lived inside his narratives, and they were terrific: from the one featuring the poor kid, raised by a single mom, who rose to become a world-­champion bicycle racer, to the one about the cancer survivor who won seven consecutive Tours de France and raised money to help millions of other cancer victims. Or the one, finally—this is where he lost control of the script—in which he suffered one of the greatest reversals of fortune of a public figure in American history, in which his legend was instantaneously obliterated.
There is a new narrative now. How could there not be? It emphatically does not feature a broken, friendless man sunk in drugs or alcohol or depression or anger or self-pity. This one is about a man who has rebuilt his family and his friendships, who has attempted to come to terms with how ­deeply his fans felt betrayed and who says he is sincerely sorry for what he did and the pain he caused. Banned from most official sports, he has transformed himself as an athlete, too. He has reengaged with the world. This is the new story: a humbled man who is working to try to deserve the forgiveness of millions of people who once believed in him.

His enemies will tell you that this Tour de Redemption is as phony as Armstrong’s erstwhile claims that he rode clean. It’s just his new way of manipulating a universe in which everyone is seen as his domestique, they say. So, in a world where atonement requires more than simple apologies, is Lance Armstrong really contrite? Is he really sorry? Is he really a new man?
stevep

Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
Sep 21, 2017 - 02:57pm PT
Seems a pretty good and balanced article. He clearly was an enormous jerk back in those days. He might be somewhat less of one now.
And I can certainly understand his feeling that others who doped got off lightly. Virenque for instance, didn't get stripped of all his polka dot jerseys.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Sep 21, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
I don't think the guy has anything to be sorry about, still a hero to me.


He may have been the greatest rider of his generation, but he was a piece of sh#t human being who set out to destroy anyone who dared to speak the truth about him. Hardly a hero.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Sep 21, 2017 - 03:32pm PT
Still a hero to me too. He got me off my arse to ride a road bike and solve my lower back problem and give me something cool to do outside during the week! We all know the rant about performance drugs in sports. Are we kidding ourselves to think Football doesn't or Baseball doesn't!! Now the emerging thing in cycling is little powerful motors secretly hidden in the hubs or elsewhere giving that extra burst up the hill. I want one! They said some in this years tour had them already. They started volunteer weighing of the bikes and some teams complied........the Skye team didn't.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 21, 2017 - 04:03pm PT
The arrogance with which he lied made him a very unsympathetic figure once the truth came out.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Sep 21, 2017 - 04:25pm PT
I don't find Lance any more worthy of derision than any professional athlete who doped, and that group includes far more than most are willing to acknowledge. Everyone harps on how often he lied, but he was asked often, whereas in other sports (football, baseball, etc.) both fans and other professionals gladly looked the other way. Moreover, as trite as it sounds, this is a guy who visited sick people in the hospital, even when there wasn't press there, to inspire them and give them hope. A-holes don't do that.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
Sep 21, 2017 - 04:46pm PT
My friend is a pro cyclist and friends with Lance. I once asked him on his opinion of Lance. This was when people were just speculating. He stated, "good guy and wanted me to join his team and I politely said no".

Smart move on his part... and the random drug tests are real nowadays. If my buddy decides to visit my house for dinner, I have had the drug testers show up during the meal. Kind off creepy.
DanaB

climber
CT
Sep 21, 2017 - 05:04pm PT
He won bicycle races.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
He destroyed peoples lives without regret. Will be interesting to see what happens if he has to pay back the 100 million in sponsorship money the USPS paid. Intentional torts (fraud) are not dischargeable in bankruptcy.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 21, 2017 - 06:32pm PT
I don't know Lance but i'm sure he's an as#@&%e...
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Sep 21, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
Lance a hero? Hmm.

Hell, I vote for Pantani.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Sep 21, 2017 - 06:42pm PT
Lance Armstrong deserves credit for his record in professional cycling. His doping regimen was not unique, as cycling and PED's have always been inseparable. To even complete a grand tour is monumental . . . to win one is incomprehensible. He won quite a few.

While I do not know the man, his story seems to portray a narcissistic sociopath . . . not a very flattering analysis, but it is an ideal psychology for dominating competitive cycling. Yes the team is important, but ultimately there is an alpha dominant leading the pack. This dominant dictates the narrative and secures victory through relentless determination, often at the cost of personal relationships.

Lance is probably trying to resurrect himself, not unlike the aging rockstar going back out on tour . . . only time can tell if his motives are transformed and sincere.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Sep 21, 2017 - 06:46pm PT
Lance was in France during the Tour. He was doing analysis of each stage. I'll see if I can find the link.
He did seem less assertive.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 21, 2017 - 06:57pm PT
Regardless of all the holier-than-thou 'character assertions' he showed tremendous courage in fighting his disease. I'd still shake his hand and wish him well. Some of you would have made good understudies to Torquemada.
BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
Sep 21, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
Lance won his last Tour de France in 2005. Of the riders who finished in the top 20, nineteen (19) of them have been either sanctioned for failing a doping test or implicated, but never sanctioned, in a doping case.

Did Lance cheat? Yes. Was just about everyone else in the pro peloton cheating as well? Yes.

That doesn't excuse Lance's behavior towards those who called him out, but as far as being a cheater, he was in very good company.

BTW - the trial mentioned in the article has been postponed to late spring 2018 because of a scheduling conflict with one of Lance's lawyers.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 21, 2017 - 08:51pm PT
Yea I think my admiration for him taught me more about me than it taught me about him. I had a lot of fun rooting for that guy! I still admire him, but probably in a different way than I used to.

It's too bad that it's so hard to feel good about believing in anyone any more. But heck, there are drugs for that too :-)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 21, 2017 - 08:57pm PT
I admired Lance for many of the reasons obvious to all. The way he viciously and repeatedly attacked people, who were telling the truth, changed that for me. He didn't just lie about doing drugs, as many other racers were, he tried to destroy the lives and careers of the people who were outing him.
In the end he came off as a mean spirited narcissist.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Sep 21, 2017 - 09:01pm PT
Yea I agree.

For me, it's kind of hard for me to be pissed at my evolutionary ancestors for fighting tooth and nail to out compete the competition, but now that I'm here, I feel pretty good about myself :-)
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 21, 2017 - 09:06pm PT
I still don't see why people hate him so... I've read most of the books and listened to him many times. Doesn't seem like anyone I'd get along with on a 16 hour car trip but who knows. He comes across as a garden variety dick.

I kinda just shrug and go on with my day.

Anywhere there's that kind of $$$ at stake, people will cheat. That's plain n' simple.



thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 21, 2017 - 09:11pm PT
I am sorry, but does the sole testicule weigh in for anybody ersse?


I mean, the dude carried a bjt less njt up the hill amjrite?
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