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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 11, 2017 - 03:31pm PT
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My wife and I haven't smoked for more than 25 years, so decided, since it's legal in Washington, to give it a try. Went down to the local smoke shop, Slowburn, and bought some goods. Saturday afternoon we lit up, not knowing what to expect. Sad truth is it was no fun; we both didn't like the feeling of lack of control, and we just didn't get into it. I don't think we'll try again. We were actually disappointed, as we had good memories of being stoned and being amazingly insightful and witty. Are we just too old?
Please note this topic does mention 'stone', which is sort of like rock, so this could be construed as climbing related. But it's not.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sep 11, 2017 - 04:01pm PT
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When high, were you still able to distinguish physician from physicist? or astrologer from astronomer? if so no worries! Don't be so hard on yourselves...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 11, 2017 - 04:30pm PT
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sometimes you just get used to sobriety and being stoned just seems like a waste of time.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2017 - 04:38pm PT
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Yeah HFCS, knew a physician from a PhD. Just didn't enjoy it, despite Great Expectations (Mr. Dickens, by the way) and was disappointed the old rush didn't happen.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Sep 11, 2017 - 04:50pm PT
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Get some low grade "day smoke" ......
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Guernica
climber
dark places
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Sep 11, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
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^ "day smoke" could be the problem... possibly the OP selected a sativa, which I find too rushy/heady even for my seasoned self. If there's a next time, I'd say try a high-grade pure indica strain and vape a single hit...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 11, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
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or don't Waste your time. We only have a precious allotment of time here in this life. waste it away if that is you gig but don't expect everyone to want to go down the same path.....
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Sep 11, 2017 - 06:07pm PT
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Tad! I'll take the hippie lettuce over wine everytime! Wine is disgusting...and the high?! Makes me feel drunk!
:)
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Guernica
climber
dark places
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Sep 11, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
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I agree about the CBD thing, but still stand by the indica suggestion. The ideal option would be high CBD/low THC flower *and* a high THC indica- then mix the two as desired. And still vape if possible.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 11, 2017 - 06:15pm PT
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I tried almost everything that floated thru Camp 4 in the 70's. Never liked pot....not the comatose inducing stuff back then or the high octane version today.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 11, 2017 - 06:16pm PT
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you modern stoners probobly don't even know how to roll a richous Joint anymore.. At least Willie still smokes fattys.....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 11, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
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Don't asss me, I'll tell everything you don't know
All right, yeah
You men eat your dinner
Eat your pork and beans
I eat more chicken
Than any man ever seen, yeah, yeah
I'm a back door man, wha
The men don't know
But the little girls understand
Well, I'm a back door man
I'm a back door man
Whoa, baby, I'm a back door man
The men don't know
But the little girls understand
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 11, 2017 - 06:44pm PT
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There's a reason it's called 'dope'.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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Sep 11, 2017 - 07:04pm PT
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Amen!
I'm with you and Donini.
Never did a thing for me.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 11, 2017 - 07:36pm PT
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Winemaker,
Good on ya for giving it a go . . . there is a reason you have not smoked in 25 years, it simply was not your thing to begin with. You have rediscovered why you don't smoke ganja . . . stick with your fermented beverages and call it good. Different strokes for different folks, please do not dis on jah herb.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 11, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
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Pretty much the same for me Steve. Went from heavy user back in the old days (in BC, where there was really good pot), to giving it up. Like you, I thought I'd give it a try now that it's legal in WA, where I live.
Result? Nada. Maybe I didn't get the right stuff, but nothing I've tried here and now holds a candle to what we had...
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 11, 2017 - 08:18pm PT
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So you smoked the joint and 25 years later got stoned ....... :-)
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Sep 11, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
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When you get stupid on pot, your the first person to know you're stupid.
When you get stupid on wine, your the last person to know you're stupid.
Microdosing LSD is supposed to be an eye opener for focus and thinking outside the box...
as opposed to macrodosing back in the day and opening the "doors of perception".
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Sep 11, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
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Isn't that the deal with middle age?
Nothing is as good as it used to be
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2017 - 08:57pm PT
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Actually, Senor Braun, I never used to grow the sh#t back in the day. Didn't have a basement grow room and didn't produce enormous buds that would knock your sox off. I don't say this because the statute of limitations is in effect and it doesn't matter. Just don't like it now is my perspective.
Edited to add some negatives to the narrative.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 11, 2017 - 09:12pm PT
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i'm a backdoor man.
For more than 25!yrs! Haaaaaaa
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 11, 2017 - 09:14pm PT
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Gimme weed (not Jimson), whites and wine
#hash_oil (is that redundant?)
public service announcement. I don’t know if I have hammered this point home enough, but if you are not an expert at making butane hash oil (BHO), PUT EVERYTHING DOWN, TURN OFF THE STOVE, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUM, AND EXIT THE KITCHEN. Making BHO is a very dangerous thing, and if you slip up in any way, you will no doubt light something on fire, including yourself.
Is Jimson weed legal now?
-Ty Stick
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 11, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
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Bad experience is usually from lack of tolerance combined with high potency, where people either get paranoia/existential dread, or couch locked.
Pay close attention to this man's wisdom.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 11, 2017 - 09:20pm PT
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Maybe I didn't get the right stuff, but nothing I've tried here and now holds a candle to what we had...
The right stuff is out there . . . be careful about your selection and avoid "commercial" operations. Quality varies widely in the legal recreational market.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Sep 11, 2017 - 09:22pm PT
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Winemaker! Re your post:
Just don't like it now is my perspective.
I have similar background & current experience.
That wine stuff is a pretty-good high.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Sep 11, 2017 - 09:31pm PT
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That weed had a grip on me for 35 years and I never thought I was going to be able to get away from it. Been straight for over a year now and don't miss the weed at all. Took a puff last Christmas and totally hated the experience. For me rock climbing every day and an occasional shot of moonshine is total happiness!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 11, 2017 - 09:43pm PT
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San Diego will have a fully legal and regulated marijuana industry including pot farms, factories making edibles and retail storefronts selling the drug to both medical and recreational customers.
The City Council voted 6-3 on Monday to legalize local cultivation, manufacturing and testing of marijuana when new state laws take effect in January.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Sep 11, 2017 - 10:00pm PT
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try DMT
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 11, 2017 - 10:07pm PT
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Marijuana is for sick people.
America is very sick now more than ever.
That's why they legalized it now .....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 12, 2017 - 06:40am PT
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That's why they legalized it now .....
Gubmints would franchise the Devil for tax revenue.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Sep 12, 2017 - 06:47am PT
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Never much of one for the herb. As mentioned above, I had a BAD experience at a Grateful Dead concert, and it wasn't just the music. (Heh. See what I did there?) Had a huge, nasty reaction with heavy existential dread. Haven't touched the stuff since. It is interesting to read here, however, how different the effects can be based on the strain. That makes sense. Like the OP, a couple of times when I was in my late teens/early twenties, I tried shrooms and had a pretty good time. I tried them again in my late twenties and hated it. I was out hiking, and the outdoors are better for me without any strong chemicals. A couple of beers at the end of the day is plenty. We do change over time. That's for sure.
BAd
Touche, Reilly!
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2017 - 06:47am PT
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...where people either get paranoia/existential dread, or couch locked....
That's exactly what happened. And it wasn't pleasant.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Sep 12, 2017 - 06:54am PT
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A fresh herbaceous bong drawn through ice water, paired with a spicy Chianti and rich Tuscano cheese... America is certainly not sick!
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Sep 12, 2017 - 06:58am PT
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Mark Hudon should be here regaling us on the merits of coffee. IMO, it might be the best drug out there, other than serotonin, dopamine, adrenalin, endorphins, and oxytocin. (These latter are most often regulated through diet and orientations of mind.) I love coffee.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Sep 12, 2017 - 07:29am PT
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Tried it (BITD) but like a few posters just didn't gravitate to it.
I always have to be on the move and I didn't like the "grooooooovvvvvy" let the world go by feel.
The ritual was kinda fun, the food, the sharing of joints, stuffing towels under dorm room doors. Turning over my senses just doesn't cut it for me.
If I needed it for reasons related to health, like chemo or something I wouldn't be adverse to trying it again. But for everyday living a yoga class does it for me!
Susan
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Sep 12, 2017 - 07:30am PT
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Get some low grade "day smoke" ......
So that's what the trumpsters call it.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Sep 12, 2017 - 07:47am PT
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"Merits of coffee"- A toke chased with a hammerhead is a Cali Speed Ball which I have a great affection for.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2017 - 08:06am PT
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Anybody remember the old marijuana album "A Child's Garden of Grass"?
I laughed my head off at the line, "There's a funny smell in the room."
Come on, somebody join me here...
Winemaker, did you ever wonder if you were pairing your joint with the right red? I recommend a good Pinot.
Ah yes, there's a reason I love Christmas... Reds and green.
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Sep 12, 2017 - 08:38am PT
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Dude, if you are smoking so much you "lost control" then you are over doing it by a long shot. The way to do it is to use just barely enough to push you into a very fine micro buzz that just adds a little afterglow to things. Then you can decide if more is what you want. You can gain this level of control of the effects easily with a vaporizer, once you are familiar with the potency of the strain of cannabis you are using.
If you haven't drank, would you drink a whole bottle of whiskey? That can be the effect (metaphorically speaking) of smoking a high potency joint. That is WAY too much for people unless they have a very high tolerance and smoke often.
Edit: SomeBodyAnbody has the right answer as well.
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doughnutnational
Gym climber
its nice here in the spring
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Sep 12, 2017 - 09:02am PT
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If you weren't bouldering or skiing powder during the test the results are invalid.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 12, 2017 - 09:19am PT
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If you weren't bouldering or skiing powder during the test the results are invalid.
^That's where the whites come in. To keep you awake so's you can enjoy your ride.
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Sep 12, 2017 - 11:08am PT
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I hope no stoners ever belay me. Bound to happen, just too many of them
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 12, 2017 - 01:01pm PT
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So if someone who doesn't normally get drunk gets drunk and then says they didn't like it, are you all going to tell him the problem was what he was drinking?
Seems like this "sativa does this, indica does that" has as much logic as "tequila makes me mad, rum makes me happy, etc." that certain drinkers say.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 12, 2017 - 01:24pm PT
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Sure as hell, levothyroxine does this, methimazole does that, but they're both the same because they are thyroid medications and the first letters are contiguous in the alphabet.
-Dr. No
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 12, 2017 - 01:55pm PT
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Virtually everyone I know takes drugs of some kind, I'm on life support until my morning coffee and I sure do enjoy a couple of glasses of wine in the evening. Never smoked cigs and other drugs, tried and mostly appreciated, are pretty much in my past.
The one drug I'm really hooked on is that morning cup, make that two, of java.
Edit: sometimes three....yeah, the wine too.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Sep 12, 2017 - 02:35pm PT
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One documentary on Cannabis claimed that the active ingredients (which like most or all drugs just stimulate compounds and processes already occurring naturally) played a role in cleaning short term memories from the brain. Can't let the brain get too clogged up.
Makes sense
Hey what were we talking about?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 12, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
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I only roll my own weed.
What Guyman said, start with the contractor grade,look for Indica.
Try to make space and time.
Cheers
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2017 - 02:40pm PT
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The best weed evah came from lower Merced Lake in Yosemite back when stonedmasters drooled ......
aaahahahaha .....
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 12, 2017 - 02:53pm PT
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"Hey, man, try some of this. It's absolutely dynamite."
"Oh yeah?"
[Loud noise echoes/birds chirp]
Obviously doing it wrong, according to A Child's Garden of Grass.
Many people have smoked marijuana.
Many people have seen marijuana.
But very few people have ever heard marijuana.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw5mvMJ-eUs
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Sep 12, 2017 - 02:54pm PT
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Re:Vaporizers.
I have a Pax 2, use sungrown flower grown in a friend's organic garden (this is legal in Oregon). I'm a VERY moderate user. I probably only hit it once or twice a month, and at a low dose. It takes me usually a year to go through a quarter ounce. I'm more at danger of throwing out weed than anything else since I use so little.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 13, 2017 - 04:48am PT
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^^^Didja have the munchies, "john."
What, exactly, brought on your relapse? I know it can be triggered by lots of things, STUPID TACO BELL ADS being the ones toughest to ignore.
I started out on enchiritos, myself. Then I progressed (declined, rather) to harder things to digest. I hit bottom, eventually, and found a sponsor.
Thanks for sharing.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 13, 2017 - 07:49am PT
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Seems like you don't know WTF you're talking about.
There are 483 known compounds in mj, including 66 cannibinoids, most of which have had little to no study, and clearly from millions upon millions of users' experiences the varying amounts of these and their interactions have differing, consistent/repeatable characteristics of effects. Conversely, we know what alcohol is, how it works, etc.
Maybe pipe the f*#k down if you don't have any relevant input.
Yeah I know weedheads like talking about it as if it's fine wine. (I suppose that's not much of a criticism--a lot of wineheads play the same game of using their supposed sophisticated taste to justify getting into an alcoholic haze every night.)
But not all researchers and users agree that this indica / sativa business has a lot of merit.
https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/indica-vs-sativa-myth-or-fact
The comment to the article summarizes that point of view--maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but this guy seems to:
Ive been smoking daily, several times, for over ten years. I get my weed from a Vancouver BC dispensary. And for myself, I can't differentiate between a sativa or indica high. They both give me the "indica" effects. Also, like mentioned, every batch varies so greatly. Like, I've had strong, wonderful Jack Herer, as well as shitty, weak Jack Herer. The purple kush (or any strain for that matter) looks fairly different every batch (at the dispensary).
The effects are the same for me, but the only difference between strains I find are strength of those effects, and taste. Assuming I won't be smoking any more homegrown outdoor like back in my teen years, I don't care too much from one strain to the next. Right now I have some amazing sativa Blue Dream, and some super potent indica Purple Diamond. After 2 or 3 bong rips, it's the same feeling with either one. I'll try only smoking indicas for a while and switch, to see if the drastic change will highlight the difference, but nah. I'll smoke sativa before bed, indica in the morning... Makes no difference. By the time I had the luxury of choosing between strains though, my tolerance was already sky high. I imagine the difference is more notable for new smokers.
So I'm not saying people are lying to themselves. The perceived difference a lot to do with tolerance, and how the person is affected by weed. But I'm sure placebo makes the difference appear more stark than it actually is for many, many users.
It's why strain reviews don't do much for me... Like a guy will review 30 different strains and have so many specific points about each one, but are there really that many differences? Or is he just choosing random descriptors to describe the same feeling. It's like they're just describing being stoned in 30 different ways. "This one has a nice smell, with a very cerebral high... So does this one. This one too!"
Regardless, how about just acknowledging that the OP doesn't seem to be interested in getting f*#ked up on weed rather than trying to convince him he needs to try to get f*#ked up on slightly different weed?
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Sep 13, 2017 - 10:10am PT
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They call it 'dope' for a reason. I'd prefer a good black coffee or a good cold beer.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 13, 2017 - 01:59pm PT
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Alcohol...
They call it 'POISON'...
for a reason...
I'd prefer a "Hit" and a handful of M&M's...
;-)
If you are incapable of understanding the concept that "the dose makes the poison," then I suppose your thinking is sound.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Sep 13, 2017 - 02:32pm PT
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Remember rule#1
Smoke pot, check your knot
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Sep 13, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
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how well you think you play when yo are stuck to the celing and how well you actually play may not be the same......
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 13, 2017 - 04:34pm PT
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Socket to me, Mike. Had to look at that "pipe" extra hard.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 13, 2017 - 04:42pm PT
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Guess which ones are sane = none of the above ^^^^
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Belmont, California
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Sep 13, 2017 - 11:51pm PT
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You don't get drunk the same way at 55 that you did at 18 either. "All things are a changing, Sage Heraclitus said, but a tawdry cheapness shall outlast our days".
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Try some edibles.
But go easy the first time, easy to overdose especially with alcohol.
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jstan
climber
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I have a long proud and complete abstention from drugs. Turns out it may not be perfect.
A few weeks after bypass surgery I was out breaking rocks with a sledgehammer on our roads. A neighbor who earlier had helped this effort using a jackhammer, drove up saying he had the coffee I needed. I noticed he poured something from a flask into the coffee cup but I gave it no thought.
The rest of the afternoon I kept wondering why it is Arnold Schwartzeneger is never around when I am ready to take him on.
Just wondering.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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JSTAN lol,
a few months ago I visited my nephew in Philly.
a few of his friends took a couple of pulls off CO hi grade.
They had to retire inside to the coaches.
The Clint Eastwood quote comes to mind,..
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Just because it's legal doesn't make it right.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Does making it illegal make it left?
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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^^^^^
Here here...
I’m 28 years clean and sober and have no plans to mess that up, but if I could be a responsible recreational edible pot user now and then I’d take that over alcohol. But I know what my alcoholism and addiction is, and it would be foolish beyond recklessness and selfishness for me to mindf*#k myself back into the quagmire I lived before I became sober.
I’m just saying I know there are certain people who can use marijuana responsibly just the same way there are those who drink occasionally with impunity as well, and the health benefits or risks for them, however debatable, appear nominal.
Understanding that people should have the right to smoke or eat an herb that grows naturally from the ground without being vilified is very equal to the right one should have to drink fermented fruits and grains or distilled spirits if they can do it responsibly is only logical.
Blanketing intoxicating or mind altering substances as detrimental or immoral and criminal because some like myself can become addicted is just overeacting, and cannot be reasonably judged as so without the inclusion of alcoholic beverages being in the mix and prohibited as well.
If we were to outlaw everything addictive then we would have to outlaw food, money, power, and sex as well. The list goes on and on. But then, some folks can’t help themselves from hating and judging others with differences or labeling pot users as hippies and somehow morally compromised.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I had a smokeing habbit in the 7os but kicked it when weed went to $40.00 an ounce. I was saveing up for a new motorcycle and did not want to spend that money on drugs. Also not a mooch so did not want to be that cheap bastard tokeing everyone elses weed and not bringing anything to the party. Smoked a little bit in the 90s going to dead shows but certainly not a problem. I found a 1/4 oz on the ground back then and it lasted me about a year. bought a guitar that came with a half oz in the case and gave most of it away. the rest lasted a year or so. I did have a alcohol problem. sober since 2006 but do not feel that a toke of weed would affect that record one tiny little bit. when we were out west in 2016 I planned on smokeing a bit but though the opertunity was there never got around to it.... the kids I work with gave me a few buds for my birthday in june but have not had time to try it. part of that is Isa really does not like the stuff. The rest of it is that I feel to really enjoy it I need some real down time with no work obligations. perfect for cleaning the cabin on a day when when Isa is out of town and I don't have to go to work the next day. problem is that any time I get a day like that to myself I go solo climbing which is my high without the weed so I never get around to trying the weed.... It smells really good though.. Had to double bag it so it would not stink up the cabin....
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Warbler posted
My guitar playing gets noticeably more creative when I smoke, and noticeably sloppier when I drink
Amen to that.
Never was much of a drinker and I was urine tested for 25 years at work. Every so often I would sneak a toke... but never on the job.
Nowadays I will use edibles, as I find my physical workouts seem to be more effective.
The side effect is for me to pick up the guitar while I'm still buzzed and I find so much more enjoyment out of playing.
It also enhances my sense of humor...if not wit.
The trick is to stay away from it until I've taken care of responsibilities.
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reallyy big star
Social climber
some, place
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bush yo' a recrational poster.
please put supertopo in a vessel
and lests smoke er
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