Evacuations for Camp Nelson..Ponderosa due to Fire..

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Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 29, 2017 - 11:50am PT
Hwy 190 is closed at the Balch Park turnoff. If your going to the Needles this way won't work due to a big fire in the Tule Drainage that started last night from a Car Wreck. Fire on both sides of the road and its starting to rage. 1000 acres.. Too smoky to fly aircraft! This will be one to watch! The Pier Fire
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 29, 2017 - 01:02pm PT
Oh crap. We have a place in Camp Nelson and were planning on heading up there on Thursday. Thanks much for the heads up since this is the first I'm hearing of it.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2017 - 02:10pm PT
Fat Dad............Yea, you better check on things! They have engines doing structure protection in and around Camp Nelson right now..Mandatory Evacs...Fire is becoming a Monster!!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 29, 2017 - 03:05pm PT
Inciweb and news outlets are listing Wishon as under mandatory evac. Is there another Wishon than the one up by Courtright?
Paul W

Trad climber
Visalia, CA
Aug 29, 2017 - 03:14pm PT
Ksolem, there is another wishon in the tule drainage
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 29, 2017 - 03:14pm PT
Yes, there is a Wishon downhill of Camp Nelson, and to the north of the road.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2017 - 03:14pm PT
Yes, Wishon is on the road that goes left by the Powerhouse up 190. I don't know why they also call it Wishon?? Its in the direct path of the fire but the fire is also on the south side of the river they are saying and headed up. I hope Ron C. is okay up there??
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 29, 2017 - 03:19pm PT
I've done trailwork in that area for the last 10 years, and it is massively overgrown, hot as hell, and steep terrain.

They are going to have a big problem with this.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2017 - 03:20pm PT
Lower Left in the Pic is Dome Rock
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 29, 2017 - 03:53pm PT
Patrick Paul might be in the know as to Ron C's welfare...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 29, 2017 - 04:01pm PT
Holy shit! Looks like a bomb goin off. Is that all smoke, or is there a cloud in there?
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
Patrick Paul has moved to Carson City....But I do know that Alpine also was evacuated. They used the reverse 911 to get hold of people. Here's the most recent webcam photo....Its a Pyro Cumulous cloud totally from the fire!I was wrong on the past webam shot..thats not Dome Rock on the left.
Paul W

Trad climber
Three Rivers, CA
Aug 29, 2017 - 05:10pm PT

Current shot from the south fork of the kaweah, looking south. The smoke and that crazy cloud were highly visible from Visalia.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 29, 2017 - 05:28pm PT
Radish, with the mandatory evac there's nothing to do but hope for the best. I love the place but, even assuming I could get there, I'm not going to risk life and limb for some old furniture and some well loved winter clothing. Just glad I was up there with the wife and kids. Heard they were knocking on doors at 3 a.m. to get people out of there.
Many a good beer enjoyed here, and many good times with the family.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Aug 29, 2017 - 09:42pm PT
Wishing you the best Fat Dad
mooch

Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
Aug 30, 2017 - 07:38am PT
The Pier Fire, right Rene? My next door neighbor responded yesterday. Yah, hope Ron and family is Ok. Will keep you in my thoughts Fat Dad and pray the fire doesn't make it to your place.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Aug 30, 2017 - 09:30am PT
Fat.... Wishing for the best outcome possible.

I own the exact same beer glass.

Pray for rain.

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Aug 30, 2017 - 09:34am PT
The Pier Fire, right Rene?

I think they are calling the fire by Fish Camp, the Pier fire.
Paul W

Trad climber
Three Rivers, CA
Aug 30, 2017 - 10:09am PT
The fish camp fire is the "railroad" fire. The one above springville is the "pier" fire. Lots of smoke over the Central Valley today.
mooch

Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
Aug 30, 2017 - 11:06am PT
Heard there was a fire in between Fish Camp and Lewis Creek. Damn!! Calling it the Railroad Fire.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2017 - 11:27am PT
Yea, the 'Pier' Fire is the one up by Camp Nelson...in fact as off an hour ago it was about 2.5 miles away. The 'Railroad' Fire is up by Fish Camp Yosemite. Yosemite got hammered last night by lightning so stay tuned for more fires. The Column showing from the Camp Nelson fire last night in Visalia was HUGE !! That's a fricking Monster Fire! The Firefighters got their hands full on this one.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 30, 2017 - 01:37pm PT
Guy, mooch, flip flop,
Thanks for the well wishes. For us, this is just a vacation home. We really love it, and it would really suck losing it but we still have a home if that burns down. I worry for folks like our next door neighbors, who are wonderful people, retired, and stand to lose quite a bit. Or the neighbors on the other side of us, who just bought earlier this year after saving up for some time. Like Guy said, we're praying for rain, or even some humidity or break in the hot temps.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2017 - 03:36pm PT
Hey Fat Dad....Hope I came across as giving well wishes too.... I think things might actually be alrite for you and all that have homes up there. Most, and there are lots going to the fire from far away, are doing protection for the homes in the area.
carlaftw

Trad climber
San Jose, California
Aug 31, 2017 - 10:05pm PT
Sending you, and everyone else affected, some well wishes, Fat Dad!

My good friend has a cabin up in Sequioa Crest...looks like it's the first community the fire is getting to..about 1/2 mile away.

From what I heard they've got hoses/retardant laid out below the hill and are prepared for a hairy fight.. but they expect the fire to cross Hossack Creek and head uphill, not good.

~Really hoping for the best~
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Sep 1, 2017 - 07:08am PT
Keeping those affected in our thoughts.

Ron C. is down in the valley with his horses- doing well.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Sep 1, 2017 - 07:14am PT
Best wishes to your friend. It appears that the fire wants to move north and south, not to the east where Camp Nelson is. Given the terrain and lack of roads, it appears they can't do much for the communities other than to prepare for the fire to arrive. They had a public meeting online last and they expected the fire to reach Sequoia Crest this afternoon (beautiful area BTW). The fire commander didn't seem super outwardedly concerned about the groves. He seemed to suggest that they'd fare well. If you think about it, they've been around for a 1,000 years. This is not their first rodeo.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Sep 1, 2017 - 08:33am PT
Fat..... that is good news.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Sep 1, 2017 - 08:56am PT
This is not their first rodeo.

There is an incredible amount of fuel right now in the Sierra tinderbox. These fires of today will burn hotter than past fires. The effect of suppressing fires has changed the natural state of the forest.

The ponderosa pine had taken root decades before the Revolutionary War, making a stately stand on this western Sierra Nevada slope for some 300 years, Nate Stephenson figures. Then came the beetle blitzkrieg. Now the tree is a dab in the gray and rusty death stain smeared across the mountain range.

At the base of its massive trunk, a piece of bark has been cut off, revealing an etched swirl of insect trails. Higher up, naked branches reach out, as if from a many-armed scarecrow.

“This was alive until the drought killed it,” Stephenson says mournfully.

The U.S. Forest Service estimates that since 2010, more than 102 million drought-stressed and beetle-ravaged trees have died across 7.7 million acres of California forest. More than half of those died last year alone. Exacerbated by anti-wildfire policies that produced a crowded forest more vulnerable to drought, the massive dieback is unprecedented in the recorded history of the Sierra.

The beetle epidemic is transforming the 4,500-foot to 6,000-foot elevation band of the central and southern range for decades to come, if not permanently. The sheer scale of mortality means that outside of developed areas, it’s likely that most of the tree corpses will be left to topple over.

It will takes centuries to replace the legions of majestic old pines that have succumbed — if that is even possible in a warmer future that promises to alter the forest in ways ecologists can only guess.

“We don’t know under the new conditions what things will do well,” says Christy Brigham, the top scientist and acting superintendent of Sequoia and Kings Canyon national parks.

But she’s pretty sure of one thing: The western Sierra pine forest as it was 100 years ago is not coming back.

“The world has changed…” Brigham says. “We’re never going to be able to get back to where we were before.”

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When the first big patches of forest turned a fatal orange in 2015, “We were agog,” says Stephenson, a federal research ecologist who has worked in Sequoia National Park for nearly four decades. “It was hard to get over.”

Now he’s used to it.

And he finds comfort in a simple observation: “Most of the forest is still there.”

Higher elevations have largely escaped the beetle damage. Even in heavily infested areas, there is a mosaic of the living and the dead — patches of green and burnt sienna that from a distance suggest autumn in New England.

by Bettina Boxall

Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 1, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
Fire is pretty active on the West side today. Calling for a Voluntary Evacuation of Springville...........
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