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L
climber
Just Livin' the Dream...
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
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Awwww c'mon Matt...you know Sasha's an "anomaly", right? wink, wink
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:08pm PT
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Hahaha Matt, can you make him a weekly digest of awesome female accomplishments? Since he needs help seeing patterns ;)
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:29pm PT
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So would you agree, Kevin, that all top male climbers are also anomalies?
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:36pm PT
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Bottom line
Male and female are never ever materially or subtle materially equal ever.
They are different both physically and in consciousness.
The biggest difference is consciousness ......
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L
climber
Just Livin' the Dream...
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Aug 13, 2017 - 04:48pm PT
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Margo stopped to pull off her hoodie while leading La Rambla 5.15a.
Can you say SUPER ANOMALY?
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Matt's
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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.Hahaha Matt, can you make him a weekly digest of awesome female accomplishments? Since he needs help seeing patterns ;)
Yes, the general plan was a personalized weekly news update to keep him abreast of female climbing news.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 13, 2017 - 05:05pm PT
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Male and female are never ever materially or subtle materially equal ever.
Since, like they say, you can't compare sandstone to Sanskrit, then maybe
"... materially the same", might be mo bettah.
Any monkey or great ape, despite a wide range of strength to weight ratios, could out climb any human male or female with one hand tied behind his/her back.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2036470/Slacklining-Paddy-Gorilla
So wwhat's the point?
Hardly a woman on site, but what are those kids doing there?
Carrying a baby no less
One handed and carrying a baby - sure why not
Clearly da menz & da wwiimenz outa their separate but equal leagues
Addendum:
Notice that apes don't waste their time bragging about sh_it on the Internet?
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
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Aug 13, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
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I wonder how things would stack up if the same number of women had been active in climbing as men over the same time period... I bet we would have heard "It goes boys" a lot more often :-)
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Aug 13, 2017 - 08:24pm PT
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It's not like Warbler posted a womanifesto and got fired for it.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Aug 13, 2017 - 10:04pm PT
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My problem is with the few outspoken feminists who believe men are holding women back from equal performance in the climbing world,
Interesting turn of phrase.
A. I'm not sure anyone suggested or said "men are holding" women back from climbing performance. Your argument, each time, seemed to suggest that each time a woman did something challenging, even for men, it was an anomaly, not hard work, drive, skill and relentless passion to push and succeed. Which I think both male and female climbers have in common.
B. "Outspoken feminists". Well the unstated subtext of that choice of words is that women damn well better stfu.
Susan
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 14, 2017 - 08:41am PT
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For Warbles:
The Navy announced yesterday that the first woman SEAL candidate has dropped out of preliminary screening training.
The Marines also announced that after 29 women failed to pass the infantry officer training there is one still in it. She must be some kinda badazz.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Aug 14, 2017 - 08:42am PT
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I don't really have a horse in this race but Warbler did NOT call all of these great achievements by women anomalies. He called Lynn's ascent of the nose one but that is it. Don't make sh!t up just for the sake of your argument.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:26am PT
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It is an anomaly for anyone, male or female, to climb at the level of the climbs being dusgussed.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:27am PT
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Because of warblers posts here, the modern feminist's scientists are now busy in their secret labs to create the super woman to prove him wrong.
The super woman will do everything that man can do but 100 times better.
Then the men will have to produce Superman to get ahead again.
And around and around it goes in this stoopid world of gross materialists.
That's why the wheel is there ........
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cat t.
climber
california
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:40am PT
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Example: Matt's posts two threads, in both he's celebrating the accomplishments of female climbers, because they're females.
Bruh, Matt is trolling you. He is not celebrating female accomplishments because they're achieved by women, he is is celebrating female accomplishments because he knows that the celebration of female accomplishments will make you mad. He's not trying to argue with you; he's making fun of you for the fact that you will take every opportunity to sh#t on the abilities of women.
And, of course, because we're predictable, it will always be followed by Tami, Susan, kingtut, etc (and me, I guess), earnestly and hopelessly believing that equality is achievable and that the staunch old defenders of sexism will someday see the light ;)
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:44am PT
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The wild thing is that woman may eventually be equal to (or possibly but less likely surpass) men in climbing.
That is not going to happen in most sports. Women on average aren't as big and strong as men. And the anomalies reflect the mean.
But climbing isn't about being big and strong (strong in an absolute sense, not strength to weight). And women are establishing a track record of accomplishments close to what men have done, which is not the case in many other sports. IMO I think it is possible that as more women climb and a higher percentage of the most dedicated and talented people are women we'll see a higher percentage of the top accomplishments done by women. Will they equal/surpass men? It's an uphill battle (sorry for the pun) but IMO it's in the realm of possibility, while it's NOT going to happen with many sports.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of grip strength to body weight among the top male and female climbers. Of course that's not everything but it would give an indication.
Women have a lower center of gravity compared to men. I would think this would be an advantage in slacklining, but not sure if it would help or hurt in climbing.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Aug 14, 2017 - 09:57am PT
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WBraun said:
Bottom line
Male and female are never ever materially or subtle materially equal ever.
They are different both physically and in consciousness.
The biggest difference is consciousness ......
And you would know about women's consciousness how, Werner? Have you been both male and female??
Or were you just trolling? ;-)
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Aug 14, 2017 - 10:03am PT
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Werner has of course lived many lives and we are all sure that some of those have been as women.
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