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johntp

Trad climber

socal

Aug 12, 2017 - 04:11pm PT

Please, both men have issues. But Kim Jong-Un is evil incarnate.

Agreed, they are both naccistic, but I don't think Trump is totally insane either. At least he appears to care about the US population, whereas Kim Jung Un could care less about the people of his nation or any other nation. "Let them eat cake" as it were.

Congress and the Supreme Court are the only differences between Trump and Kim.

I don't think that is true as stated above. I'm no Trumpeteer, but at least he appears fairly rational in these types of issues. If not, NK might already be burning.

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Aug 12, 2017 - 05:11pm PT

I kind of agree with Moose here... not much difference in personalities, just difference in environment and what they can get away with because of the circumstances created by their predecessors.

Congress and the Supreme Court are the only differences between Trump and Kim.

This idea that Kim Jong-Ul is somehow the equal of Trump is some crazy sh#t. Hogwash. Delusional actually.

Of course, being among climbers, I mean this in the nicest of all possible ways.

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Aug 12, 2017 - 05:37pm PT

Give him time. He is just getting warmed up...Still courting his hate group base I see.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-lawmakers-criticize-trump-response-to-charlottesville/ar-AApVTCu

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Aug 12, 2017 - 06:11pm PT

At least he appears to care about the US population,

Do you really think trump cares about the US population? Please, trump only cares about one thing, trump. If trump cared about the US population he would not be arresting innocent people. He would be proposing affordable healthcare for all Americans. He would be making sure Americans had access to clean water, and provide for clean air. He would be doing what the American people want done, not what his miniscule base wants.
Trump claims he his not a politician, bullsh#t. He is already running for reelection.
How many presidents have run for reelection after six months in office?

Norton

Social climber

Aug 12, 2017 - 06:43pm PT

and he has now been seen hosting a burger and beer party at the White House for all his House Republicans to celebrate their passing a bill that would take away healthcare from 25 million Americans

it is slowly beginning to dawn on people that we have made President a man who is very obviously alarmingly ignorant of how government functions

this is a man who is visibly miserable just being President, always angry, always lashing out at the slightest slight, obsessed with President Obama

a man who just week called the White House a "dump", no doubt because it was not equipped with gold gilded toilets as his properties are

is there any point where you can just flat out admit that you were wrong voting for him?

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Aug 12, 2017 - 06:59pm PT

Goddammit. You guys have put me in the position of defending Donald Trump, of all people. Why must I do it? Because the volume of the hate against this guy has become irrational. You all need a reality check. I mean damn, there are people here who actually believe that Jong-Il and Trump are cut from the same cloth. This is nuts.

If trump cared about the US population he would not be arresting innocent people.

Ummm… He’s arresting innocent people? Please elaborate.

How many presidents have run for re-election after six months in office?

Pretty much every one I can remember. President Obama, for example, never stopped campaigning after he was elected. Don’t get me wrong, raising huge amounts of money and whipping up support is American politics today. But you’re wearing rose colored glasses if you think your question deserves an answer.

He would be proposing affordable healthcare for all Americans. He would be making sure Americans had access to clean water, and provide for clean air. He would be doing what the American people want done, not what his minuscule base wants.

Health care is off topic, but I'd say that it's become fairly obvious that neither Trump or Congress want anything to do with it. Meaning Obamacare remains in place. EPA? Unless you think that every decision they make is a gift from God, take a closer look. We have an un-elected agency with the power to make law and levee punishment. Do you seriously think that Trump wishes for the days of smog alerts and Love Canal because he wants to reel in 40 years of over-reach?

Every time a band of racists makes the news they are Trump’s base. So you say. So a tiny minority of idiots define Trump? We have just come off an administration which was willing to jump feet first into way too many local racially charged events. Ferguson is the most prominent of many, where even the Atty. General showed up and fanned the flames, and was proven wrong. Sometimes a President should stay above the fray, certainly while events are still unfolding. To say that his initial statement means that A: he is a white supremacist and B: that white supremacists are his base is wrong. A president should let the dust settle before weighing in. This is why we have local government and policing, and theoretically a corps of journalist to keep the public informed.

monolith

climber

state of being

Aug 12, 2017 - 07:10pm PT

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/campaign-over-president-trump-will-hold-a-what-else-campaign-rally.html

Larry M. Noble, the general counsel of the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan group, said he was not aware of any president having held a campaign rally this early in his tenure.

Trump, August 10:

Mitch, get back to work and put Repeal & Replace, Tax Reform & Cuts and a great Infrastructure Bill on my desk for signing. You can do it!

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Aug 12, 2017 - 08:02pm PT

The first two years of a President's term go by in the blink of an eye. What the NYT defines as a campaign event is pointless. A president, as the leader of their party, hits the ground running looking toward the midterm election.

Regarding the latter, it's a bunch of posing. Look at how bold the House was when they knew President Obama wouldn't sign. Now that Trump says he'll sign a bill (any bill he can claim as a victory,) what is Congress doing? Crickets. Why? Because the last thing the Republicans want right now is two years of being off-agenda fighting over the details of how to set up a modern health care system.

Sorry but a couple of news clips don't tell the story.

Nuglet

Trad climber

Orange Murica!

Aug 12, 2017 - 08:45pm PT

One thing was proved by the event of today:

there are still a lot of racist in this country

trumppo does nothing to distance himself from the hate.

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Aug 12, 2017 - 09:12pm PT

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Aug 12, 2017 - 10:12pm PT

Sorry but a couple of news clips don't tell the story.

Kris, they could have posted hundreds. You still wouldn't be convinced.

You *really* don't understand the depths of a real narcissist. They are not all that common, because they are so odious and intolerable.

Trump encourages violence by his supporters, and those he thinks are his supporters. he even offered to cover their legal expenses, remember? He encouraged cops to beat up suspects, and slam their heads into car roofs.

He does not have the unlimited power of Kim. If he did, the bodies would be stacked like cordwood.

10b4me

Mountain climber

Retired

Aug 13, 2017 - 11:49am PT

Kris, they are both liars, they are both narcissists, and they both have questionable financial dealings.

Ummm… He’s arresting innocent people? Please elaborate.

Kris, he is detainng brown people because they are brown. Now the requisite response is that they crossed the border illegally, I grant you that, but trump hires illegals all the time. Why is that ok?

umm Kris, you just did answer it.

We have an un-elected agency with the power to make law and levee punishment.

created by a republican president; and we also have other government agencies that can do that, think Treasury dept.

Do you seriously think that Trump wishes for the days of smog alerts and Love Canal because he wants to reel in 40 years of over-reach?

if it benefits him financially, you can be sure he will do it.

that white supremacists are his base is wrong.

did you hear what david duke said?

Bushman

climber

The state of quantum flux

Aug 13, 2017 - 11:50am PT

From My Periscope

Oddly I saw green algae
Growing from the railing
Of the observation deck
In orbit around earth sailing
On the International Space Station
No texts, twitter, or emailing
As I watch from my periscope
With simplicity availing
Way down here on earth
Under airliners contrail-ing
My tootsies remain sore from hiking
While society is failing

The books all sit unread
On shelves within the holds
Of the alt-right millennials
And discussions remain too bold
For the x-generation parents
We so often are told
As baby boomers feign disinterest
And conversations go cold
When greatest generation survivors
On both sides would be so bold
To say two words of criticism
To the progeny of their fold

Lacy angelica
And wild flowers of many hues
Lined the mountain path
As the chopper droned the blues
While I spied through my periscope
The disconcerting news
Of spot-fires on a ridge top
While mother nature paid her dues
Lightning strikes in many places
And people take their queues
From fringe elements among us
In every size of shoes

And there sits the fool on the hill
Besieged from every side
Who'd precipitate world war three
When there's nowhere left to hide
His frontmen and his handlers
Who've sold us out and lied
I see them through my periscope
The view from here is wide
With those big bands on the radio
When last all nations did collide
I wonder what my great uncle thought
At Normandy before he died

-bushman
08/13/2017

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Aug 13, 2017 - 11:57am PT

For North Korea, a Return to Sender Missile Tech System would be useful as a deterrent.

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Aug 13, 2017 - 01:20pm PT

^^^ I like the way you think...

Steve,

You say they are both liars, narcissists, and have questionable financial dealings. I’d say that that’s par for the course for pretty much every head of state. But, between Trump and Jong-Un, only one of them is a ruthless, tyrannical monster who murders anyone he chooses to on a whim. And his inventiveness concerning the means of execution belies the perverse pleasure he takes in it. I see there’s a pretty strong “Trump would if he could… the bodies would be piling up like cordwood…” sentiment out there. I think that sort of conjecture is over the top to say the least.

Anyway, regarding the other stuff, I’d enjoy a level-headed discussion over a beer. I think we’ll find we have a lot more common ground than not. But a forum like this is a difficult place for those sorts of nuanced exchanges of ideas.

Cheers...

StahlBro

Trad climber

San Diego, CA

Aug 13, 2017 - 01:27pm PT

"But a forum like this is a difficult place for those sorts of nuanced exchanges of ideas."

I agree with this Kris. We turn up the contrast to make a point, but there are spaces in between.

little Z

Trad climber

un cafetal en Naranjo

Aug 13, 2017 - 07:20pm PT

I'm only glad it's Kim Jong Un we're facing down and not Daenerys Targaryen.

Vlad Pricker

Mountain climber

The cliffs of insanitty

Aug 14, 2017 - 01:17pm PT

Things are cooling down, not because of either of the two madmens' rhetoric, but cooler heads prevail.

I read with amusement the armchair warriors on this thread who espouse things like, "we can waste them in a minute" and such. Probably no doubt, but at what cost, in the long run? And these lot present us with all kinds of scenarios, and some say that the Pentagon has even thought of them. I am sure the generals and admirals have. But will Donald listen? We know Kim won't.

I have zilch military experience. But what I do recognize is that this can be a precarious affair. What the world needs are people who can rein in the trigger (twitter?) happy headcases who can make this a make or break scenario.

You know the two I refer to.

This will all blow over. Hopefully not in a BOOM!