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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 23, 2017 - 10:29am PT
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Please pay up folks if you can...
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 23, 2017 - 10:37am PT
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A lot of historically interesting Photobucket photos on old threads do not show up any longer. Neither does Cosmic's photo above... But Cosmic himself can see the photo he has posted on Photobucket, since he in this case is not 3rd party...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 23, 2017 - 11:22am PT
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thanks to photobucket. glad we could help with all the ad rev we sent your way while we got busy building a mountain of content on your back.
sorry our site got trampled in photobucket's rush for riches. cmac took measures to enable hosting on it's own local server but sadly, we will soldier on without your better image quality.
as photobucket's revenue model evolves to include direct billing, while wreaking havoc upon it's neighbors in the process,
we wave goodbye to your ship as it sails off to greener pastures holding as hostage our now darkened images.
here is the link to this thread which could be included in our email missives to photobucket:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2990725
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jul 23, 2017 - 12:27pm PT
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Photobucket - Justfukkit
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Jul 23, 2017 - 01:59pm PT
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It's actually not a bad idea...buy some site like Stupertopo then charge everyone $5 to access all their old content.
What is the best hosting alternative ?
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
The real McCoy from the inside of my van.
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Jul 24, 2017 - 11:06am PT
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F*#k those as#@&%es.
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
El Portal, CA
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Jul 24, 2017 - 11:30am PT
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Lame. I did trip reports back when photo trip reports were rare. Spent hours doing them and now they are all ruined. Mine and Lorna's adventures shared here from 2007-2009 or so. New Dawn, Shield, NA, Octopussy, On the Waterfront, and more. I know these trip reports show up in Google search and I think its good that up until now people could find chicks crushing on the Big Stone.
Boo photobucket. They should have grandfathered in old links.
I went there and was even willing to pay $100 a year to fix all my trip reports here, plus who knows wherever else I posted content. But its $400!
I think I will invest some personal time in fixing up the trip reports, one I figure out another place/way to host the photos. Too bad they didn't try to find some middle ground for people who were willing to pay something but not $400 a year.
One of my ruined trip reports.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=618730
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jul 24, 2017 - 12:48pm PT
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PB became too cumbersome for me a few years ago. I felt sort of bad putting my non-climbing images directly on this forum, but feel that expense ought to be born by the service provider as a cost of doing business. You want images to make your site more attractive? That's on you to figure out how to do. I suppose one could make photo uploaders create some sort of account they deposit a sum into, and every time an image goes up, an amount is deducted, based in image size. People known to post valuable images could have to opportunity to be exempt, and the rest of us help support that space with out image fees.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Redwood City
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Jul 24, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
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FWIW I've moved a bunch of photos to imugr and have been really happy with their user interface. And they host pics for free...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
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Third-party hosting is the clincher here, and the operative phrase.
That's the phrase they are using for enabling the IMG codes to work on forums such as this one, so that pictures can be posted.
And yes, ONLY their most expensive account, the Plus 500, which is $399.99 per year, will enable this simple, but critical functionality.
The pricing structure is here:
http://photobucket.com/pricing
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I have over 5000 photographs linked from my photobucket to Supertopo.
Oddly, they are all still working, for now.
Here's why:
I have what was once called a Pro account, which used to be $20 per year. Now it is called a Plus 20, and cost me $40 per year as of a few months ago when I renewed it. They don't even sell that account any longer, but I have one, for now.
All of my links will be usable through December 31, 2018. After that, my 12 years worth of Supertopo contributions will be without photographs.
Click on this link and scroll down to the second of two item number three(s) for their statement about this grace period:
http://blog.photobucket.com/please-review-latest-changes-photobucket/
... After that I am in the same bucket as everyone else, $400 per year or cut bait.
Here is a statement from their CEO explaining this outlandish, totally unsustainable bullshit:
http://blog.photobucket.com/photobucket-launches-unlimited-3rd-party-hosting-plan/
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And yes, their functionality is crap on many levels, and has been for a year or two. Every single time I try to use photobucket there is some bug in the functionality.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 24, 2017 - 07:24pm PT
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It could be possible to write a script that replaced all of the photobucket links with a new hosting link. In Tarbusters case it would be simple enough to have a bot that went post by post downloading the photobucket image, uploading it to a new host and changing the link.
Some bright kid could earn some money doing that. Maybe some enterprising Indians (the ones in India) will do it manually for a good price.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 07:53pm PT
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^^^
Exactly what is needed.
There is a lot of historical stuff on this site which could (perhaps) be preserved in such a manner.
I'm all ears!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jul 24, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
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I posted this in the Lexington TR thread, but it should probably be here, as well:
Then, I am going to find another place to host the photos and restore the trip reports
Can someone explain this whole thing? If I remember, in the early Supertopo days, one had to hang one's photos on some site like Photobucket in order to post them here. But that changed a while back and one can now post photos to ST straight from one's own computer.
So why is photobucket even being talked about? Any file you uploaded to Photobucket had to come from your own computer in the first place, right? So why not just re-upload them to ST from your own computer?
What am I not understanding here?
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Jul 24, 2017 - 08:22pm PT
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^^^^
unless it's a first post or a trip report in the trip report section, one can't edit their old posts on supertopo.
that means the dead link...
is now permanently dead.
and even if chris and co gave temporary access, it'd still take a metric fUck ton of work for some posters to go back in and re-upload all of their photos to the incredibly slow and cumbersome [not to mention the poor resultant quality of] supertopo photo hosting.
hence the annoyance at the hostage taking by photofUcket.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
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Ghost:
Each photo in photobucket has a link dedicated to that photo in that specific folder.
That same destination link can be used on any number of threads on any number of forums, but if the photograph is moved to another folder, then the link is no longer valid.
Some of us learned a while ago, that if any photobucket folders had their names changed, or if any of the individual photographs were reorganized to different folders, any prior use of that original link was rendered null. (Moving a photo doesn't move the link with it: the link specifies the destination folder).
Lots of people's contributions died just from that unwitting bit of reorganization all on its own. When I made that mistake, a friend of mine (Tim Stich) did some tinkering with the HTML and restored everything the way it was. I asked him how he executed that fix, and he has no recollection of the workaround. But it saved a metric ton of my work here.
The editing feature on this website becomes deactivated after about 11 days IIRC.
So unless someone steps in with some special magic, once you move photographs within photobucket, or once photobucket deactivates third-party hosting, it all goes away.
I never liked the quality and the restrictive nature of the display frame of the in-house photo function here.
With photobucket I was able to keep sizing the photos the way I felt they should be presented. Much better quality. So I stayed with it.
Even if I had switched to the Supertopo photo hosting function when it became available, everything I had done before, with photobucket as the host, would've been lost, unless the account with those particular photographs was maintained.
Failing to maintain my photobucket would've meant losing the photographs in my first 3-5 years of work here, which is most all the good stuff, in terms of my personal contributions.
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Jul 24, 2017 - 09:06pm PT
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for the time being here is a hacky work around if you're wanting to view a photofUckit hosted image:
1. right click on the "PLEASE UPDATE YOUR IMAGE TO ENABLE 3RD PARTY HOSTING" image
2. select "Open Image in New Tab"
3. generally it seems you'll be sent to photobucket's site and get a scrolling wheel of death with an url that looks like: http://photobucket.com/gallery/http://s296.photobucket.com/user/ephollyb/media/Shield%202008/IMG_0186.jpg.html
4. delete everything in the link before the s296 and hit enter
3.a. i say generally because i tried it a few times on cosmic's link and for whatever reason after you've done it a few times sometimes it gives you a link that looks like: http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u14/cosmiccragsman/COSMetICs%20by%20Cosmic/lockersghost.gif which gets one straight to the goods and you can skip steps 4 and 5.
3.b. i say sometimes because other times it worked fine immediately and went straight to the image without the photobucket framing using a link starting with "i" instead of "s".
anyway, buggy shIt in all directions, but so far i've tried a half dozen or so images, and if it didn't work right out of the gate, then it at least gave me enough info so i could get at the image one way or another. still:
sad.
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ruppell
climber
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Jul 24, 2017 - 09:18pm PT
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If your using Chrome as your browser there's an extension that fixes the issue for now.
Google "photobucket embed fix" and add it as an extension. It's open source and it works by re-directing the links for you.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 09:23pm PT
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When CMAC started deactivating people's accounts, I started saving all of my work. 109 threads.
All my threads have been saved to MHTML documents, which need to be converted to PDF, for a more stable and lasting archive.
I saved a few other random threads.
That's how I rescued Cosgrove's posts about Southern Belle: I had saved the thread to my hard drive at a point prior to when his account was deactivated.
It's possible (?) that one could use the Way Back Machine to go in and archive various threads which now have broken links due to photobucket's new policy.
The few times I've tried it, most of the links are broken. It seems spotty at best; useful for text recovery and not so much for photos.
https://archive.org/web/
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Archiving is a good idea in general: there's lots of good stuff here and no guarantee whatsoever that CMAC will strive to maintain the content in perpetuity.
This photobucket policy is definitely a kick in the gut to a big chunk of the content here on the forum.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jul 24, 2017 - 10:11pm PT
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Another fix:
The original post of a TR can still be edited. When I hit the edit button the original urls of the now dead PB links appear, including my number or name for the image. I can find the original photo with my computer's search and re-post it to SuperTopo or another host.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 24, 2017 - 10:30pm PT
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I just used ruppell's photo embed fix: an extension for the Chrome browser.
It works! ... I can see Cosmic's picture now.
https://github.com/kzahel/photobucket-embed-fix
Scroll down the page to just below where it shows an example of photobucket's request for updating to allow third-party hosting, and just below that click on Install the extension.
One wonders how long that bridge will be workable.
Now, to decide which of the 500 Supertopo threads in my old list of Explorer favorites I should save ...
[edit] ... Why, the ones in Nah000's marvelous index. And likely more than 500!
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