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Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 27, 2018 - 10:46am PT
well sure, it would be a sign of weakness otherwise
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 27, 2018 - 10:55am PT
Hoo-boy, at this point in time, this doesn't look good for Kavanaugh.

Of course, Trump is a master at spinning anything in the direction he wishes, so his mindless base will follow whatever he says.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 27, 2018 - 10:59am PT
So if the Judiciary Committee votes party line to send this to the Senate

then my guess is it is going to come down to three critical votes

Senators Collins, Murkowski, and Flake of Arizona who's term is over this cycle
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:01am PT
Fast-track?

Amy Coney Barrett of Indiana, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, 46. She previously clerked for the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. She was appointed by Trump and confirmed to the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals in October 2017.


“If chosen as the nominee, she will be the deciding vote to overturn Roe v. Wade and to strike down pre-existing conditions protections in the ACA. #WhatsAtStake”
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:02am PT
Hi Winemaker- I don't have a subscription to see the NY Times article, but I've written about that here in the last year:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/3059054/Voting-Machine-vulnerabilities-easily-widely-hackable

It truly is a disaster in the making.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:06am PT
That's been the case since the day Kavanaugh was announced: it's going to come down to Murkowski, Collins and Flake. (And maybe Bob Corker.)

Of the 21 person Judiciary panel members, there are 11 Republicans, and they are all old males. That's why they hired Rachel Mitchell to do their questioning...to avoid the Anita Hill-style optics of a bunch of old guys grilling a woman on sexual harassment issues.

Those same 11 Republicans are going to have to explain their recommendation (and later, their Senate vote) to their female constituents, though. If this testimony goes completely down the shitter for Kavanaugh, they're going to have an even harder time doing that.

NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:08am PT
Immediately when I heard they hired a female lawyer to do the questioning, I thought all the old dudes are cowards. They don't want to have video imagery of them being A-holes used by their competitors in political ads.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:12am PT
I'd bet a jelly-filled donut that if Kavanaugh gets pulled (which could happen soon, either by Trump or McConnell), Amy Coney Barrett will be the next in line. But I'd also bet that won't happen until after the elections, and until then, they'll spin this HARD in the way of 'Democrats dirty tricks stole your SCOTUS justice', hoping that helps keep them the Senate. Then, put Barrett forward, knowing she's more conservative than Kavanaugh, which will make the base happy, and she's a woman, which will make it harder for Democrats to shoot down, and will serve the Republicans messaging of support for women.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:23am PT

In her [Barrett] academic writing, she has written somewhat dismissively of the doctrine of respecting the Supreme Court's precedents — a doctrine known as stare decisis. "There is little reason to think that reversals [of past decisions] would do much damage" to the court's reputation, she wrote. "I tend to agree with those who say that a justice's duty is to the Constitution" rather than to a precedent she thinks is clearly in conflict with it.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:23am PT
Bill Clinton has been out of office for 18 years now.

And the accusations against Judge Kavenagh are 35 years ago.

I totally agree.

Bill Clinton's nomination to the Supreme Court should be withdrawn immediately!

Oh, and impeach Hillary, now!
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:26am PT
She was clearly speaking the truth, and not "confused as to the identity" or any of the bullshit HER "Accusers" were using in a strategy to diminish her credibility.

God, I felt for the 15-year old girl in the body of the adult professional woman I just listened to speak.

zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:29am PT
Apparently, according to Lindsey Graham-Cracker, it seems that Dr. Ford got into this for a free polygraph exam.

Also, this high recommendation of The Kav:

"I don't think he's a Bill Cosby"

He even made himself barf.




hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:31am PT
He's dead in the water and she killed him. There is nothing he can do ever again without the shadow of this haunting him.
I thought her testimony was one of the bravest things I've ever seen
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:54am PT
And every guy who has ever done anything like what Kavanaugh is being accused of has got to wonder if and when their day of reckoning will be coming.

Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Sep 27, 2018 - 11:58am PT
It is not a question of whether this court nominee should be judged on his high school behavior

that matters of course, but what matters more is if he is believed when he strongly denies Dr Ford's testimony in a few minutes by calling her a liar
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Sep 27, 2018 - 12:14pm PT
Oh - is he ever angry.....

Not "pleading for people to believe me" angry, but "F*#K YOU ALL as I go down like the Zeppelin afire" angry.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Sep 27, 2018 - 12:19pm PT
Beware of the drunken frat boy scorned
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Sep 27, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
Oh my - he is fighting tears.

I will say this - IF he is innocent, may he find a way forward like so many of you climbers who have fallen and been so injured your life was all but over have done. Maybe he will never onsight 5/13 again, but maybe God has a plan for him that did not include SCOTUS after all.

Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Sep 27, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
Hey Nut
Hi Winemaker- I don't have a subscription to see the NY Times article

No subscription required.
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Sep 27, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
Oh - is he ever angry.....

And this is sober. (I assume?)

Imagine a drunk Kavanaugh...

Yeah, I believe her.

and her.


and her.


and her.

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