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c wilmot
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May 25, 2017 - 04:09pm PT
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Every oil based synthetic product manufactured has resulted in dead animals. Just because it's not an animal product doesn't mean it's ethical...
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grover
climber
Castlegar BC
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May 25, 2017 - 04:17pm PT
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It's ok to eat fish
Cuz they don't have any feelings
Kurt Cobain
Ya'll sound like 7th level vegans to me.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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May 25, 2017 - 04:18pm PT
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I can't wait for the bug hitting the windshield argument.
And no, not all rubber or synthetic products require animal products to make.
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grover
climber
Castlegar BC
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May 25, 2017 - 04:20pm PT
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I can't wait till this turns into a sleeping bag thread.
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John M
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 04:28pm PT
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I'm from california. I I eat meat. I don't have a problem with people hunting for food. For trophies.. yes. Food, no problem. I do understand what Werner says about there being a higher way to be, i.e. not eating animals, but I'm not ready for that. so I eat meat. I prefer as humane way of killing as possible, though I understand that killing is in effect not humane. I hate the way that some animals are raised on farms, with no freedom. We can definitely do better in that area, though the end product is still death. At least give them a decent life.
I'm glad the guy wasn't hurt. The go pro is kind of weird, but then we wouldn't have the video of the attack. I have been charged 3 times by bears. And once walked over while sleeping outside.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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May 25, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
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Better quality video, a bit longer and an unedited soundtrack... as Tami notes, you can hear "Tabernac" :-)
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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May 25, 2017 - 08:09pm PT
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Jim, so many deer on Haida Gwaii and there are no predators. They were introduced by settlers and now there are a couple hundred thousand. Thus no hunting limit.
Hard to NOT hit them with a car at night....
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jonnyrig
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 09:30pm PT
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We've already upset the balance of nature. Best we can hope for is to effectively manage our part in it toward what currently would be considered sustainable. Vegetables as a source of food are generally more sustainable than meat, if you buy into the science. For that matter, on a worldwide basis I've seen it said that we currently produce a surplus of food overall. Only reason people are starving is that we waste it and lack the distributive infrastructure to disburse it.
Meanwhile you got the jihadis over there and the religious right over here and the 3rd world poverty down thataway and none of them really buy into the science of it all whether by birth or necessity, so I'm going to just continue having a slab of bacon with my self - procured elk burger while I'm trolling the taco for a raw nerve our two and swilling warm pbr from a can.
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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May 25, 2017 - 10:41pm PT
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seriously?
must be a lot of vegans on this thread.
or i guess as long as we don't see the factory birthing, raising and slaughter t'is all good eh?
while i'd agree with some of you folks if this guy was out there hunting elephants with his hand bazooka, he's out there with a bow, that in no way, shape, or form is he hunting for bear with.
or were some of you folks rooting for the bear when the two visiting brit ice climbers likely stumbled near to its den and the bear attacked/defended against the intruders in banff national park a couple years back, as well?
it's ok... let the hate flow through you...
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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May 26, 2017 - 12:03am PT
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Eating chickens that spend their whole lives in tiny little cages, pigs that can't stand up, etc., etc., is what seems like a moral problem to me. Killing an animal for food, when done legally and in an environmentally respectful way, is no moral problem for me. Our species has been doing that forever. I've never hunted, but I have fished, with no qualms. This guy looks to be an ordinary hunter in an area where hunting for food is a very normal thing.
The case of the S. African safari hunter who got squashed by an elephant, or bullfighters who get gored, is the other side of the coin. That stuff is just stupid and cruel, and a little thinning of our herd to discourage it seems only fair, and perhaps to celebrate in a discreet way,
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MassiveD
Trad climber
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May 26, 2017 - 12:39am PT
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It's like nominating Bachar for the Darwin award. That is what most normal people think he deserves. Same thing in "dangerous game" hunting, some guy gets stomped. When I was a kid in the 60s, a neighbour's son got stomped to death by an A. Elephant. He was just over there as a student. The dangerous game hunters (though most these days are just guys with money) are there because they want to be where animals kill people. But really it goes back to at time when the guns didn't work that well; and hurt so bad you got detached retinas firing the damn things; and a time when you could bump into a lion on the way to a bar.
Spring bear season is open in northern ontario now. That is a pretty fancy 3 piece recurve; fancy leather-look bow quiver, nice arrow. The no broadhead arrow thing is weird. Like maybe he was hoping to blunt the bear, sorta the pepper spray approach with a bow. But instead of that he hits it. Seems like the bear didn't expect to take the hit, and got outta there. No ER for a bear if he bites off a little too much fight. Don't sure how that constitutes the hunter having his Azz handed to him. Those guys in north ontario are tough. Last year some guy in a park with basic boxing skills duked it out with a bear. I'm guessing the bear here was hoping for something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzwbOZKfrUQ
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WyoRockMan
climber
Grizzlyville, WY
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May 26, 2017 - 07:53am PT
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doubt he was actually hunting. No razor tips and using a kids recurve.
A couple points:
1) It isn't a "kids recurve". A recurve is just as effective as a modern compound bow for hunting. Takes a bit more skill, primarily due to not having the full draw weight removed at full draw, but a 65# recurve is plenty for big game.
2) They are called broadheads, not razor tips. He had them.
Screen shot from video:
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 26, 2017 - 07:58am PT
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May 26, 2017 - 04:21am PT
doubt he was actually hunting. No razor tips and using a kids recurve.
LOL, some intardnet wanker telling a First Nation person about hunting. Priceless!
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 26, 2017 - 08:24am PT
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When I'm in the backcountry I have a real appreciation of bear and mountain lion hunters. It's nice to be on top of the food chain.
Yes, that's shamefully selfish.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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May 26, 2017 - 09:20am PT
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^^^^
Reilly's superior knowledge in all subjects trumps your 35 years experience everytime.
You might even be able to get a discount from the company that makes that bow if you drop Reilly's name. Just sayin.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 26, 2017 - 09:42am PT
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Kids, kids, calm down. We're all winners here, all special in our own right, and all entitled to our correctness on all subjects. So, let's play nice and acknowledge the innate specialness of all parties around this cluster-coitus of a campfire.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 26, 2017 - 09:44am PT
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First nation hunter out there celibrateing his cultural heritage with a recurve putting food on the table. Most likely not bear hunting as it is spring. He had the courage to try to scare the bear away instead of shooting it. Nothing but respect. Kudos to the bear for counting coup on his nemisis. Perhaps they meet again in the fall. I will be rooting for the bear to escape unharmed in the fall but will understand if it goes the other way.
Fat stupid american trophy hunter with 3k compound bow and 2k worth of clothes and gizmos from buckmaster and real tree would have shot the bear.. Got zero use for trophy hunters. Hope the bears eat all of them.
I get the veg head scene and eat veg head more often than not but also have no use for as#@&%e veg heads that diss first nation peoples for being Omnivors.....
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 26, 2017 - 10:01am PT
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The very few people (relatively speaking) that regularly hunt/fish for food are not in the same situation as the majority who could/should be vegetarians but prefer to support the factory production of those little Styrofoam, shrink-wrapped packages of meat.
If the arable land that is presently devoted to producing feed-lot grains was instead devoted to producing food directly eaten by human beings, the cost savings, water savings, CO2 savings, etc. (not to mention health benefits) would be off the charts.
There should be a meat-tax, like a carbon-tax, to offset the baleful effects of meat production and consumption. It would work the same way as proposed carbon-taxes, and it would be exactly as effective.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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May 26, 2017 - 10:11am PT
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Forget the tax, just end the subsidies.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 26, 2017 - 10:17am PT
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Forget the tax, just end the subsidies.
That's a worthy start! But if that approach wouldn't be sufficient for CO2, it wouldn't be in this context either.
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