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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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May 25, 2017 - 12:46pm PT
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In my case... we were obviously camping. We had been there for a couple of weeks and even had a weight bench, weights, camp stove and spare VW van parked there, and maybe a pink flamingo, right there on the side of the road! They tried to tack on charges by finding human feces (fuk! Not ours as we did the restaurant every morning) "in the Park" amongst the poison oak. They said I was mad at the Park Service and thus, took a sh#t in the Park as a protest, many many times. LOL!
Anyway, they could not really figure out who was actually gonna bust me, so they brought in the CHP (for the car) Caltrans (their turnout) and the NPS (their Park). After a bit of a Chinese fire drill (can whitey still say that?) they decided somebody could probably throw the book at me or they could just tell me to move along... to Forest Service land!!!! Hahahaha! Sh#t does roll down hill. Moved on down the road and nobody looked at us again.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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May 25, 2017 - 03:06pm PT
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^^^^ +10 for the pink flamingo!!!!
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Gorgeous George
Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
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May 25, 2017 - 03:20pm PT
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Scott,
Ignorance of the law is a very general premise basically preventing you from arguing "I didn't know it was illegal to have sex with a 14 year old."
Ignorance of the boundaries of the park is a defense, especially where they put up signs advising it is illegal to camp in some places and not others.
What's a person supposed to do?
Fight the ticket.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 25, 2017 - 04:35pm PT
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Ignorance of the boundaries of the park is a defense, especially where they put up signs advising it is illegal to camp in some places and not others.
What's a person supposed to do?
That may be right, I don't know, but it's not self-evident.
Don't we need to look at the law at issue to have an opinion one way or the other?
I don't see any problem with a law that makes it illegal to camp on park land, whether or not that's posted. That wouldn't be true for something like a speed limit, which really doesn't have any meaning unless it's posted (other than generally applicable laws like "the speed limit is 25 in towns unless otherwise posted).
Here's an analogy: does the fact there are signs that say "no littering" or "no dumping" mean it's OK to litter or dump wherever there's no sign?
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WBraun
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 04:48pm PT
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My girlfriend and I had an experience spending the night on a patch between El Portal and the Arch Rock entrance.
Huh????
I've never seen nor heard of horse patrol in that area ever.
There's no horse patrol in that area between El Portal and the Arch Rock entrance.
It's all on vehicles.
Are you sure you're not making this up for more drama?
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WBraun
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 05:20pm PT
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between El Portal and the Arch Rock entrance.
They've never had horse patrol in this area ever ......
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WBraun
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 05:40pm PT
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Just give it up Jim.
I work 100 feet from horse patrol .....
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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May 25, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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As the Duck said, no horse patrol there, no trail for them to ride on, only hyw 140. At least mix in some facts with your "stories"
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c wilmot
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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Jim- the stock is corralled in the valley. It's seriously unlikely that anyone would ride that far down the road.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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May 25, 2017 - 05:57pm PT
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Maybe the ranger (male or female) decided to ride their horsie outside the Park the night before to go to a party, or to visit a friend (male or female), and stayed overnight, and they were just riding back into the Park in the AM when they went by him.
So it wasn't a regular patrol. You could both be right.
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WBraun
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
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Horse Patrol rode all they way down there to risk getting killed on that narrow road just to look for OB campers.
Rolls eyes ......
phylp .... you are dreaming.
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WBraun
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
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ps. tell me they don't have horse trailers.
LOL
Yeah, they have horse trailers and tow the horse down to the arch rock and then ride from Arch Rock to El Portal and back up on that narrow road
to risk getting hit by a bus or vehicle just to look for guys like you.
Rolls eyes ......
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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May 25, 2017 - 06:22pm PT
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You could both be right.
Nope, Warner is correct.. and somebody else is mistaken.
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plasticmullet
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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I camped by the river south of the market for months while working for nps to save money for grad school, bailed on the rent for the horrible employee housing in el portal. Was not confronted once, it was quite enjoyable.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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May 25, 2017 - 06:48pm PT
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Jim, I'm not saying it didn't happen...I think you are mistaken about the location.
Yes ..i worked for the company, but most of my friends were climbers that did not work for park service or the concessions..... I also lived in the park as a non employee and have my own out of bound camping story ... Is there a thread for out of bounds camping stories?...
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plasticmullet
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 06:51pm PT
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Sorry, I wasn't doubting your horse encounter, just saying I was lucky to fly under radar.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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May 25, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
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An interesting and thought provoking read. :) Laughing out loud just a little and respectfully.
No yurt this summer. Wonder if you can get busted for sleeping in a kayak?
Cheers and looking forward, lynnie.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver CO
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May 26, 2017 - 07:04pm PT
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As a lawyer, I often give this advice: "get over it." I can't believe you have nothing better to do with your time.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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May 26, 2017 - 07:34pm PT
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Nutagain, necessity can be the hallmark of a defense, should the right circumstances occur, e.g. held up by a car accident until the wee hours, already drove through the park to look for legitimate site, could not navigate dangerous curves of Merced at 3am, asleep in driver's seat. This is a genuine situation for some travelers not familiar with Yosemite and its cluster.
A climber, at 11pm, tossing back beers getting ready to put the bag down... not so much.
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