Devils Tower Voluntary June Closure: What are your thoughts?

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mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Jul 27, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
If they added bolts like that at the tower I would get that climbers are bad stewards of it. there are some bolted routes but few and far between with some major runouts usually. I have spent over 20 years working in social services, mental health, and higher education in the Black Hills with the major minority being native americans. I have friends who are native, I have worked on very tough issues in the homes of natives, and I have spent my professional life working on behalf of undrprivledged groups. But if you disagree with someone on this one issue you are a bigot. To those that support this so vigorously I would say what have you done to help, befriend, or in any way improve the life of native americans? Oh yeah besides being OK with giving a sacrificial lamb climbing area closure to pc in another state.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Jul 27, 2017 - 03:21pm PT
BTW I support the Voluntary Closure and want to keep it just as it is. So should the Access Fund and other climbers. A lot of climbers fought hard to get it to what it is and I think it is short sighted to throw it under the but. As cultural significance will make it to a crag near you soon and then it will be your climbing area.

If you want to make a difference volunteer, give money, go work in Pine Ridge.
luquitos

Trad climber
Atlanta, GA
Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2018 - 11:38am PT
It's almost that time of year again...So just stirring up the old pot. I'm no longer a climbing ranger at Devils Tower, but personally speaking I would choose to observe the voluntary June closure. I just encourage anyone thinking of visiting during that time to read up and inform yourself on the issue before deciding. And check out some of the other amazing climbing that the black hills has to offer in June. Custer and Rushmore Needles are amazing, as is Spearfish Canyon.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 26, 2018 - 12:19pm PT
only way it actually makes any sense at all is to close the park to all non Souix for the month of june. singleing out climbers is not the answer. climbers probably hold the place in greater reverence than the rest of the tourists...
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
May 26, 2018 - 12:51pm PT
Climbers were not singled out, there is no climbing closure.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
May 26, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
I was recently involved in a teacher's strike. Nobody asked me. There was no vote. Nevertheless, in the media, and by politicians (who make the laws) we are generally judged as one.
And, so it goes with the climbing community. We do not vote or become members of some organization when we decide to climb. Nevertheless, we will be judged as one by the rest of the world.
All I'm saying is that self-regulation is preferable over forced regulation.
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
May 26, 2018 - 06:28pm PT
" Thanks for the reminder. If my brothers and sisters of the Climbing community are insistent on violating this, I fully favor banning climbing there 100% of the time. If the children can't play nice, go to another playground."

If you close it to climbers then close it to all visitors. Including the "natives."

We are all equal. Including the ones for whom it is "holy".
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 28, 2018 - 05:22am PT
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
May 28, 2018 - 06:45am PT
I'm with Dave and Jaybro. Just because I don't burn sage and chant doesn't mean I don't hold places sacred.

BAd
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 28, 2018 - 07:49am PT
First world problem....spend the month in the Needles. Really, life will go on.
ECF

Big Wall climber
Ridgway CO
May 28, 2018 - 09:44am PT
Bottom line, itís about respect.

Either you have it or you donít.

Don Paul

Social climber
Denver CO
May 28, 2018 - 12:45pm PT
The one time I went there to climb the Matador it was closed because of falcon nesting so we had to climb some ordinary 5.8 on the backside. I just googled this and read that the good routes are normally closed from March to July, so it seems like they would probably be closed anyway.
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
May 28, 2018 - 04:53pm PT
There are many many ways you can help the Lakota....they need doctors, dentists, teachers, nurses, money, housing, counselors, ...all sorts of drug/alcohol rehab, suicide/rape prevention, ....volunteer to help on the rez, have fundraisers and send $......get a job out there and get busy..climbers can step it up!
More than a wimpy ineffective little known voluntary climbing closure....
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 28, 2018 - 06:08pm PT
I have not climbed there in June ( the best month) since the closure began, but I donít presume to judge those that, for various reasons, do. Frankís part of project 365 funded a kidney machine and signifcant $$ for the junior college on the Pine Ridge Rez, partly by climbing there in June.
luquitos

Trad climber
Atlanta, GA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 7, 2018 - 11:18pm PT
https://www.terraincognitamedia.com/features/why-you-did-write-about-the-closure2017

An interesting article about the voluntary closure by one of the most informed people on the issue.
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