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kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Original Post - May 5, 2017 - 03:57pm PT
Found this little jewel taken at White Wolf on 5/3/17:



Credit: NPS

Crews have reached reached White Wolf (elevation 8000') snow is six to eight feet deep and very wet. Crews are averaging about a half mile most days. Advance avalanche crews are working at Olmsted Point (one of the major avalanche zones along the road).

https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm

looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
May 5, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
Fwiw according to Mapquest White Wolf to the Tioga Park Entrance is 32.1 miles. It also reports traffic is "light" right now. I imagine that's fairly accurate (once you get past the line of snowplows, anyways...)
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
May 5, 2017 - 05:23pm PT
Half a mile of progress per day. 4th of July or thereabouts.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
May 5, 2017 - 07:08pm PT
It's supposed to snow again in Mammoth, Tioga and Tuolumne this weekend....
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
May 5, 2017 - 07:55pm PT
I've been working up at the Mono VC for a couple weeks now. The "rumor" with the FS staff is it could be around 4th of July... but I believe that is just a random date someone pulled out of their ass that sounds good.

The latest Press release from the Dept of Transportation (dated yesterday) wisely doesn't speculate:

Credit: justthemaid


Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
May 5, 2017 - 10:38pm PT
Nobody pulled July 4th out of their butt, JMT. Read all posts above and do the math. 30 miles on the west side left to plow with a half mile progress per day.

The real rumor is the bridge between Warren canyon and Ellery Lake may have suffered structural integrity and may need repair. Rumor is only from one Eastside Westside resident but he knows his sh#t.
franky

Trad climber
Madison, WI
May 6, 2017 - 10:04am PT
The green bridge is fine as of last week.
WBraun

climber
May 6, 2017 - 10:18am PT
It's gonna be a long wait.

There are huge drifts in the way .......
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
May 6, 2017 - 11:52am PT
They might try and open by July 4th, but keep in mind that the TM campground is not expected to open until August.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 6, 2017 - 02:20pm PT
Lake Tuloumne
Lake Tuloumne
Credit: TMJesse

Opening day, 1983. The day Timid Tight Rope found John Muir's penny at Budd Creek TH
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
May 6, 2017 - 04:55pm PT
Tuolumne Lake.....awesomeness.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
May 6, 2017 - 06:50pm PT
Take your time plowing...Keep the annoying tourist out of the east side...
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
May 6, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
On that same day TM Jesse found a neolithic spear point that pre-dated the most recent native indians. I believe he did the right thing with his find and YNP archeologist were delighted.

We could tell the 1892 penny was John Muir s due to it being fairly shiny like a Scotsman had held on to it for a long time, not willing to part with it.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
May 6, 2017 - 07:10pm PT
due to it being fairly shiny like a Scotsman had held on to it for a long time, not willing to part with it.

Now that is some funny shizz!
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
May 6, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
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Sentinel webcam right now..(-;
Credit: nita
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
May 6, 2017 - 08:11pm PT
I can do math Timid.. but it's never as simple as x# miles = a certain date.

They were tossing out that date before the snow clearance even began.

There might be more weather. There might be road repairs and delays.

4th would be great. I personally have my fingers crossed that snow removal will all go smoothly . XX XX :)
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
May 6, 2017 - 08:15pm PT
If culturally insensitive jokes bordering on racism are your thing, it may be.

Damn . . . are the cops killing Scotsmen too?
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss On the End of a Wet Fist
May 6, 2017 - 08:18pm PT

If culturally insensitive jokes bordering on racism are your thing, it may be

Everybody's a fukking drama queen these days
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2017 - 09:17pm PT
Lets try to keep it on topic guys.

:)
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
May 8, 2017 - 09:18am PT
Walked in and climbed at brake dust crag on Wednesday. Good time to bike in and climb there or transpire wall.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
May 8, 2017 - 10:58am PT
I am part Scotswoman and I take pride in that remark. :)
stonefly

Social climber
Alameda, California
May 8, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
We Scots aren't cheap, we just appreciate good value.

As a Christmas present one year, the Laird gave his gamekeeper, MacPhail, a deerstalker hat with ear-flaps. MacPhail was most appreciative and always wore it with the flaps tied under his chin to keep his ears warm in the winter winds. One cold, windy day the Laird noticed he was not wearing the hat.
"Where's the hat?" asked the Laird.
"I've given up wearing it since the accident," replied MacPhail.
"Accident? I didn't know you'd had an accident."
"Yes. A man offered me a nip of whisky and I had the earflaps down and never heard him."
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
May 8, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
stonefly, outrageously funny! Cheers, L.

In the olden days we used to call this "thread drifting".......
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 8, 2017 - 06:10pm PT
HUGE Drifts here...
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss On the End of a Wet Fist
May 8, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
Cool Chopper footage from Caltrans flying up from the East-Side to Tioga Pass. You just have to endure the horrendous commercial to get to it.

Damn, that is a LOT of snow!

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article149399554.html
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
May 8, 2017 - 08:03pm PT
Monitor Pass opened @ 1 today.
John M

climber
May 8, 2017 - 08:08pm PT
cool video.. TPR at 53 seconds. Buried!
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2017 - 08:45pm PT
Thanks for that Walleye!

A LOT of SNOW. :D

It is not opening anytime soon that is for sure.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
May 8, 2017 - 09:10pm PT
Me too....thanks Walleye. I was trying to send that link, but had to split because I was nearly late to my grandson's baseball game. Will you be in TM or the Valley this summer Walter? If so let's have a beer.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2017 - 08:41am PT
Found the vid on youtube:




Check out the slide in Ellery Lake Bowl that almost reaches the road at 0:50 and TPR barely peeking out of the snow at 1:14....:D
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 9, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
Spring Skiing in July anyone??
skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or
May 10, 2017 - 07:39am PT
I plan on doing some skiing this summer!
bran_daid

Trad climber
la, ca
May 10, 2017 - 01:11pm PT
wow, that footage is amazing. so deep.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
May 10, 2017 - 03:31pm PT
That video was in April. Anyone been up there recently?
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2017 - 03:47pm PT
That video was in April. Anyone been up there recently?

Yea dude, its gtg lol....

I don't mean to be rude but did you realize you were looking at 50' drifts on the road a few weeks ago? That means they are only 45' now...and very compact wet snow.

This is what the drifts were like on the Virginia Lakes road ~2 weeks ago:

Virginia Lakes drift.
Virginia Lakes drift.
Credit: mono county tourism

The ones on Tioga pass are as deep or deeper with Avie haazard...I wonder if they are even ready to work on the worst ones just by Ellery Lake.
hossjulia

Trad climber
Carson City, NV
May 10, 2017 - 04:12pm PT
Given the unprecedented amount of water in the snowpack (increased wet slide danger coupled with difficulty of removal) and TM campground late estimated opening date, my prediction is mid July.
It also looked like a cabin might be missing at TPR. Hard to tell for sure, but highly likely one finally went flat.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
May 10, 2017 - 04:17pm PT
Which cabin do you suspect hossjulia?
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
May 10, 2017 - 04:32pm PT
We spent 4 days up at Mt. Dade/Bear Creek Spire last week, and the skiing was pretty horrible after about 8am, due to warm temps on all aspects. We were getting up at 4:30am, but it didn't help much. The snow surface froze a couple inches due to radiative cooling overnight, but it was extremely warm at our camp at 11,000'. Lots of wet slides on S and SE aspects. There was okay skiing on N facing slopes before 9am above 12,000'.

We drove up the closed road (during after hours for road clearing) to Virginia Lakes last Friday and bailed on the skiing, as it was so warm. Could see wet runnels everywhere. Looking at the Snotel data it has frozen for just a few hours over the last week at 9500'.

So much for spring skiing, unless it cools off. Climate change in full effect. The warm temps suck after such a big snow year.
PIZZAMAN

Trad climber
Van Nuys, Ca.
May 10, 2017 - 05:21pm PT
My guess is July 12th for an opening date.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
May 10, 2017 - 05:59pm PT
Kunlun shan, thanks for reality check. Same thing here at Lassen. No overnight freeze and f*#king hot and wet runnel slopes impossible to wax for. Fortunately a cooling trend has started and supposed to be 20 degrees cooler than a day or two ago.
I might go back on Friday.
Field teched near Lassen in Mineral yesterday and today. Winter has left Mineral
Top of Lassen barely poking out. Buttercups are smothering the meadows...
Top of Lassen barely poking out. Buttercups are smothering the meadows.
Credit: Timid TopRope
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 10, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
hey there say, just dropped by fast... couldn't read it all yet...

but, wow, timid:

lovely photo!!!

:)
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
May 10, 2017 - 09:01pm PT
July 8th
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
May 10, 2017 - 10:02pm PT
We spent 4 days up at Mt. Dade/Bear Creek Spire last week, and the skiing was pretty horrible after about 8am, due to warm temps on all aspects. We were getting up at 4:30am, but it didn't help much. The snow surface froze a couple inches due to radiative cooling overnight, but it was extremely warm at our camp at 11,000'. Lots of wet slides on S and SE aspects. There was okay skiing on N facing slopes before 9am above 12,000'.

Sounds like Italy Pass in a month will be tons of fun to hoof over. I guess I might actually have to set an alarm to get up and on the trail that day.
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
May 10, 2017 - 10:23pm PT
I read in the local paper last week that there's a 150ft tall cornice hanging over the top of Warren, wind loaded of course. When it drops Caltrans and park service expect it to push all the way down into lee vining canyon, wiping out Warren creek corner and anyone camped in it. Caltrans has asked skiers hikers etc to stay out of Poole rd , don't try to climb up or through the road closure because they are blasting there daily. The sheriff's office was quoted regarding the speculative as#@&%e nature of people who are trying to do it anyway despite heavy avalanche warnings and the Caltrans closures, making it very tough for Caltrans to do the job they're trying to do , which is extensive.

the skiing is GREAT though in Hoover wilderness north aspects ( a couple days ago) but lots of hiking in most places due to snow and washed out roads. Don't die out there, either from the 50lb carry or the loose wet.

I'll say July 25
riemannzetagambit

Trad climber
San Francisco
May 11, 2017 - 10:33am PT
I'm a bit confused as to opening date guesses. I know there's a sh**ton of snow up there, but given rapid melting and latest Tioga Rd updates (they're nearly at Yosemite Creek from the west side), shouldn't access to the Meadows come at least a few weeks sooner (say, late June)?

Is Olmstead Pt going to take that long to clear? Is east of the pass going to open much later than 120 to the Meadows from the west?
malachi

climber
May 11, 2017 - 10:46am PT
I'll stick my neck out and say that (due to moisture content) we're not going to be open by 4 July this year.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 11, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
http://www.latimes.com/travel/deals/la-tr-yosemite-glacier-point-road-20170510-htmlstory.html

Nearing White Wolf, apparently.
Nearing White Wolf, apparently.
Credit: LATimes
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
I'm a bit confused as to opening date guesses. I know there's a sh**ton of snow up there, but given rapid melting and latest Tioga Rd updates (they're nearly at Yosemite Creek from the west side), shouldn't access to the Meadows come at least a few weeks sooner (say, late June)?

Is Olmstead Pt going to take that long to clear? Is east of the pass going to open much later than 120 to the Meadows from the west?

"Exfoliating Granite" signed Road Cut.
"Exfoliating Granite" signed Road Cut.
Credit: NPS

One part of the puzzle that none of us has answers to is avalanche hazard. Olmstead Point down to Tenaya lake is the obvious one from the West and all of the steep portions of Tioga Past on the East until Ellery Lake or so.

This cannot be mitigated by plowing and there is no "avalanche control" set up like there is at a ski area to my knowledge. At Olmstead Point they have said they basically scatter charcoal to absorb sunlight and heat up the up-slopes to melt it till it is safe...and that is it.

If there is a lot of snow (and the forecast is for more cool weather) its simply going to take a lot of time and sun to open the road.

East side, same deal. You simply cannot plow a 50' drift right below an avalanche chute and open the road...it will warm up and slide potentially killing people.

Lastly, to my knowledge, the road to the meadows has never opened before the pass. This may also be due to safety concerns as the West Side is narrow from Crane Flat to about White Wolf....the extra traffic (no one can drive through the Park and can only drive back the way they came) might cause more problems than it solves.

Predictions due to the amount of water that floods the meadows and the snow pack in the trees of the campground is that it won't open till August...so little hurry to open the road. All of the other Park infrastructure will no be able to be used until then too (stables, tent cabins etc).

Keep in mind in these conditions the approaches typically suck early in the year. Instead of clearings between the trees you have swamps and streams etc.
cornel

climber
Lake Tahoe, Nevada
May 11, 2017 - 02:39pm PT
Hey Del, that video was made about the first week or 10 days of April. Cal Trans should be just beyond the Green Bridge or maybe even Ellery now. 3 weeks ago CTs was at Warren Fork. Partial washout at WF - single lane..
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
Both Caltrans and the NPS have used explosives to trigger avalanches as part of road clearing. They were doing it last month as we were planning a ski tour that was originally going to exit at Tioga Pass. They had some sort of cannon and had put up signs warning skiers.

Thanks very much for that. Are they throwing charges out of a Helo or using a recoil-less rifle or other?
cornel

climber
Lake Tahoe, Nevada
May 11, 2017 - 04:42pm PT
Recoiless rifle mounted on the back of a snow cat
otisdog

Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
May 11, 2017 - 05:16pm PT
Shooting in a national park?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
May 11, 2017 - 06:13pm PT
Has there been a year, recently, in which the TM campground has not opened?
monolith

climber
state of being
May 12, 2017 - 06:45am PT
Aerial video of Tioga Pass road clearing operations.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Tioga-Monitor-Sonora-Ebbetts-Pass-open-Sierra-snow-11138676.php
Spanky

Social climber
boulder co
May 12, 2017 - 07:44am PT
Del Cross, It definitely opened in June of 2011. I was waiting in line when they opened it on June 18 and that was a big snow year. When I got into the meadow the river was touching the bridge and the meadow was almost completely flooded. With as much snow as there is I'm being for late june early july opening.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
May 12, 2017 - 07:46am PT
^^^ 88 photos of heavy winter accumulation in monolith's link, a bunch of stunners among them !!! WOWSER
missjr

Trad climber
May 12, 2017 - 07:47am PT
The TM campground road was torn out this past fall in anticipation that they could repave it in May/June since we have typically been melted out by then in the past few years. They miscalculated this season in their decision, which is why the campground is slated for an August 1 opening date. The snow has to melt and then the ground needs to drain before they can resume repaving the campground.
JerryA

Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
May 12, 2017 - 07:51am PT
I've ridden my road bicycle over Tioga Pass on the plowed lane several times before Hwy.120 was opened to cars .The last time was during the second week of June and there was 2+feet of snow at the Pass.
WBraun

climber
May 12, 2017 - 08:17am PT
This year there will be 12 feet of snow at the pass in June ....
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 12, 2017 - 01:19pm PT
Credit: TMJesse

BITD, the TM Campground was "open" to car camping as long as you could maneuver through, over, or around any drifts. This photo was from 70 or 71. I'm not sure if there was even a gate, and definitely no fee. One year, we walked in and parked our car along the road - no hassles from anyone except a bear. The place was deserted.
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
May 12, 2017 - 01:52pm PT
Yeah, the 70s were the good old days. Nobody knew about the place and the campgroup was always empty. There were giant black bears roaming around and the park service wasn't in the habit of killing them yet. They always did a great job of cleaning those refried bean pots out. The bears, not the rangers. Heck, there weren't many rangers either and they never gave out speeding tickets. It was shangri la.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2017 - 11:02am PT
Last summer you could "scam" the TM campground I spent there (85' maybe?) ticking Tuolumne classics. Lived the summer there from July to Sept then moved down to the Valley.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
May 16, 2017 - 12:23pm PT
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm

BTW, snowing on the Pass today.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2017 - 12:40pm PT
^^^ thanks for that.

Currently ~1 mile West of May Lake. 8'-10' on the road:

West of May Lake. 8'-10' on the road.
West of May Lake. 8'-10' on the road.
Credit: NPS
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2017 - 08:15am PT
From Caltrans District 9 Facebook page:

SEASONAL PASS OPENING STATUS
Bishop – The California Department of Transportation (Caltrans) District 9 continues to work on clearing snow, removing rocks, and repairing its eight highways with seasonal closures. As work progresses, pedestrians, bicyclists, skiers, etc. are advised to stay out of these areas. Safety is our number one priority, for the public as well as Caltrans’ workers.

This is the District 9 Seasonal Pass Status as of Friday, May 18, 2017:

State Route 108 – Sonora Pass
Crews continue to remove snow and are approximately 1 mile from the summit on the east side and about 4 miles from the summit on the west side. The snowpack is estimated to be 12 to 15 feet on the highway. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.

State Route 120 West – Tioga Pass (from the Junction of US 395 to the Yosemite National Park Gate)
Crews have removed snow to Ellery Curve which is at the dam on Ellery Lake. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.

State Route 203 - From the Mammoth Mountain Parking Lot to Minaret Vista
This section of highway is under permit of Mammoth Mountain Ski area for the winter ski season. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.

State Route 270 – Bodie Road – Opened May 15, 2017
State Route 89 – Monitor Pass – Opened May 8, 2017
State Route 168 West – Bishop Creek – Opened April 24, 2017
State Route 120 East – Mono Mills – Opened April 14, 2017
State Route 158 – June Lake Loop – Opened April 14, 2017
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
May 23, 2017 - 11:39pm PT
Sonora Pass is supposed to open this weekend.

edit - NOT opening this weekend!

Caltrans crews inching through 20' drifts on the Sonora Pass/SR-108. —...
Caltrans crews inching through 20' drifts on the Sonora Pass/SR-108. — at Sonora Pass, CA.
Credit: Caltrans Facebook site
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
May 24, 2017 - 05:59am PT
State Route 108 (Sonora Pass) will re-open on Friday, April 17,

? Sounds like a report from another year.

Due to lack of snow, the following passes did not close this winter, although some were closed during a storm event and reopened shortly after:

State Route 270 Bodie Road to Bodie State Historic Park
State Route 89 (Monitor Pass)
State Route 120 (East)
State Route 158 (North end of June Lake loop)
WBraun

climber
May 24, 2017 - 07:10am PT
All that snow equals mosquitoes and they are out now.

The swarms will be massive.

The Sierras will be under brutal attack.

Americans will be running for their lives from the blood suckers and there will be no escape ......
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
May 24, 2017 - 07:40am PT
State Route 108 (Sonora Pass) will re-open on Friday, April 17,

Thanks for catching that crankster.... I clearly didn't think about what I was "reading".... am editing the above....I heard from other sources that Sonora Pass is supposed to open this weekend. We will see.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
May 24, 2017 - 08:19am PT
Sonora should be epic skiing when it opens.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
May 24, 2017 - 12:22pm PT
All that snow equals mosquitoes and they are out now.

The swarms will be massive.

The Sierras will be under brutal attack.

Americans will be running for their lives from the blood suckers and there will be no escape ......
Sounds like the Sierras are doomed


















But I think the Sierra will survive.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
May 24, 2017 - 01:42pm PT
I just talked with someone at Caltrans who said Sonora Pass will NOT open this weekend. As of today, the crews are still 2 miles from the top of the pass and probably will be working through next week as well. The drifts are 20 feet deep, with lots of trees that have been carried down that they have to dig through. He said its the most snow they've had for quite some time.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
May 24, 2017 - 05:54pm PT
CalTran workers are wearing netting to protect themselves from the swarms of mosquitos...Sounds really bad...Really bad...
missjr

Trad climber
May 24, 2017 - 06:46pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxzRDIHiSSU

Toga Pass a couple days ago.....
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2017 - 07:10pm PT
Here's that vid from this last Sunday:




Thanks for posting!
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
May 24, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
Great video...thanks! Looks like good skiing.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
May 25, 2017 - 06:53am PT
Fantastic! We move to Bishop TODAY. It's going to be so great to live up there and be able to hit that ride when the road is still closed to traffic. Super workout, eh? Schweet run back to LV, no doubt. Thanks for this.

BAd
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
From NPS Website: https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm

May 24, 2017 (updated about twice per week)
Road crews are plowing from west to east and have reached the west end of the Olmsted Point avalanche zone (which is just west of Tenaya Lake). Avalanche conditions are currently unsafe, but may improve in the next few days. Safety is the top priority, so crews will wait until conditions are safe before plowing through the avalanche chute. Meanwhile, crews are widening the plowed lanes and performing road repairs elsewhere on Tioga Road.

There is no estimated opening date for the Tioga Road. The entire Tioga Road from just east of Tuolumne Grove of Giant Sequoias (near Crane Flat) to Tioga Pass is closed.
Nearing Olmstead Point (?).
Nearing Olmstead Point (?).
Credit: kingtut
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 26, 2017 - 06:47pm PT
Why does,it look like the only snow is on the road?

I think they got their plows pointed the wrong way?
bearbnz

Trad climber
East Side, California
May 29, 2017 - 10:53am PT
Update on the conditions at Tioga and Sonora Passes...

The Tuolumne High Country - Unicorn, Cockscomb, Matthes, Echo Peaks
The Tuolumne High Country - Unicorn, Cockscomb, Matthes, Echo Peaks
Credit: bearbnz

Cathedral Peak
Cathedral Peak
Credit: bearbnz

The Southwest side of Half Dome
The Southwest side of Half Dome
Credit: bearbnz

Snake Dike is open for business, as long as you don't mind a little snow on the approach.

Half Dome cables are dry...
Half Dome cables are dry...
Credit: bearbnz

Olmsted from the west
Olmsted from the west
Credit: bearbnz

Olmsted and the parking area are clear

Olmsted Point from the east
Olmsted Point from the east
Credit: bearbnz

The NPS crew from the west is past Olmsted and making slow but sure progress. But still a ways to go to get to Tenaya Lake and then the Meadows.

The Park entrance
The Park entrance
Credit: bearbnz

Hard to tell how much snow there is, but enough to render the road mostly invisible. The small square shape near the middle of the image is the park gate facility.

Sonora Pass
Sonora Pass
Credit: bearbnz

The crews from the east side are within 1/4 mile of the pass. The pass is just right of center.

Sonora Pass west side
Sonora Pass west side
Credit: bearbnz

The crews from the west side still have 2 or 3 miles to go, but they are through the worst of it.

looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
May 29, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
Awesome pics! Thanks for posting them. I'm glad Sonora Pass is close, I'm counting on it in just a couple weeks.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
May 29, 2017 - 01:11pm PT
Wild. Thanks.

BAd
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
May 29, 2017 - 05:46pm PT
Bearbnz, Thanks and awesome. Viewing these pics on Memorial Day and what a treat. I am heading up 6/4. Curious and excited as to what I will find. Cheers, L.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2017 - 06:45pm PT
Super STOKED on that post Bear!

:D
Climbnrok

Trad climber
LA
May 29, 2017 - 09:41pm PT
Cycled up Tioga to the end of the plowing on Sunday. Road was clear until almost exactly 1 mile from the entrance station. Lots of snow still up there.

End of the plowing.
Tioga 5-28-17 about 1 mile from entrance station
Tioga 5-28-17 about 1 mile from entrance station
Credit: Climbnrok

TPR area. Roofs sticking out.
Tioga 5-28-17  Around TPR area
Tioga 5-28-17 Around TPR area
Credit: Climbnrok

Watched a couple dudes cruising up Ellery Bowl.
Tioga 5-28-17  Ellery Bowl
Tioga 5-28-17 Ellery Bowl
Credit: Climbnrok
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
May 29, 2017 - 11:24pm PT
If a picture is worth a thousand words this thread is exceeding the word limit. Thanks.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
May 30, 2017 - 06:15am PT
Thanks! Ellery looks very skiable.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
May 30, 2017 - 02:17pm PT
Rock creek is plowed about a half mile past Rock Creek lake, still heavy snow patches above 9,5k. This is a killer year for ski-in approaches and fun glissading. Looking forward to it!
micronut

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
May 30, 2017 - 02:31pm PT
Thanks for all the photos, stoke and intel!!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
May 31, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
Tioga Pass Resort

Well...we finally got up to the resort yesterday. June opening you ask? Yeah...not so much. Sorry folks. We've now cancelled and refunded all June 2017 reservations.
We'll have a better idea of timing in two weeks or so, but we understand that people can't necessarily wait to make alternative plans. As such, any reservation holders for the first week of July may also feel free to request cancellation now (without penalty) if they choose.
The weather is cooperating. Temps in the mid-80s are forecast for Lee Vining next week. It will happen...
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2017 - 10:25am PT
From Caltrans District 9 6/1/17:


SEASONAL PASS OPENING STATUS
Bishop – The California Department of Transportation (Caltrans) District 9 continues to work on clearing snow, removing rocks, and repairing its eight highways with seasonal closures. As work progresses, pedestrians, bicyclists, skiers, etc. are advised to stay out of these areas. Safety is our number one priority, for the public as well as Caltrans’ workers.

This is the District 9 Seasonal Pass Status as of Thursday, June 1, 2017:

State Route 108 – Sonora Pass
Crews continue to remove snow and are approximately 1 mile from the summit on the east side and about 2 miles from the summit on the west side. The snowpack is estimated to be 12 to 15 feet on the highway. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.

State Route 120 West – Tioga Pass (from the Junction of US 395 to the Yosemite National Park Gate)
Crews have removed snow up to ½ mile from the Yosemite National Park east entrance gate. The snowpack is estimated to be 12 to 15 feet at the entrance gate. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time. Yosemite National Park is clearing Tioga Road which is inside the park boundary.

State Route 203 - From the Mammoth Mountain Parking Lot to Minaret Vista
Snow removal will begin on June 12, 2017. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.

State Route 270 – Bodie Road – Opened May 15, 2017
State Route 89 – Monitor Pass – Opened May 8, 2017
State Route 168 West – Bishop Creek – Opened April 24, 2017
State Route 120 East – Mono Mills – Opened April 14, 2017
State Route 158 – June Lake Loop – Opened April 14, 2017
All information is subject to change due to weather conditions.
For the latest highway information please visit the Caltrans QuickMap site at quickmap.dot.ca.gov or call the Road Condition Hotline at 1-800-427-ROAD (7623).
#
For the safety of workers and other motorists,
Be Work Zone Alert and Move Over where possible.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2017 - 10:29am PT
From NPS 6/1/17


Clearing snow below Stately Pleasure Dome.
Clearing snow below Stately Pleasure Dome.
Credit: NPS


June 1, 2017 (updated about once per week)

Road crews are plowing from west to east and have cut through the Spring Hill avalanche zone located 2 miles east of Tenaya Lake. Crews are still working through deep snow ranging from 6-10 feet on average with occasional drifts close to 20 feet deep. Meanwhile, crews are widening the plowed lanes and performing road repairs elsewhere on Tioga Road.

There is no estimated opening date for the Tioga Road. The entire Tioga Road from just east of Tuolumne Grove of Giant Sequoias (near Crane Flat) to Tioga Pass is closed.

Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Jun 3, 2017 - 02:18pm PT
From NPS
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm


June 2, 2017 (updated about twice per week)
Road crews are plowing from west to east and are near Lamb Dome, which is about halfway between Tenaya Lake and Tuolumne Meadows.

There is no estimated opening date for the Tioga Road. Once the length of the road is plowed, additional plowing is required to remove snow from the full width of the road, and from turnouts and side roads. Additionally, road repairs, ditching, and brushing operations must occur before the road can open.

The Tioga Road is closed from South Fork Bridge (6.5 miles east of Tuolumne Grove/NatureBridge in the Crane Flat area) to Tioga Pass.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jun 3, 2017 - 02:37pm PT
This is the District 9 Seasonal Pass Status as of Friday, May 18, 2017:

State Route 108 – Sonora Pass
Crews continue to remove snow and are approximately 1 mile from the summit on the east side and about 4 miles from the summit on the west side. The snowpack is estimated to be 12 to 15 feet on the highway. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.
This is the District 9 Seasonal Pass Status as of Thursday, June 1, 2017:

State Route 108 – Sonora Pass
Crews continue to remove snow and are approximately 1 mile from the summit on the east side and about 2 miles from the summit on the west side. The snowpack is estimated to be 12 to 15 feet on the highway. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.
Hmm, 2 weeks, 2 miles? Getting a little nervous about it being open by the 14th...
disposable

Trad climber
sb, ca
Jun 3, 2017 - 06:10pm PT
THANKS for all photos!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 4, 2017 - 08:00am PT
bearbnz.. nice pictures...Wondering if you went shoeless again this winter...?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 4, 2017 - 06:13pm PT
A California I can dream about....glaciers and grizzlies in the Meadows.
W.L.

climber
Edge of the Electric Ocean Beneath Red Rock
Jun 6, 2017 - 09:43am PT
any updates on the pass opening to the gate? would love to get up and ski that zone...
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 6, 2017 - 08:57pm PT
Tioga Pass Resort

*IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT*

This is truly difficult news to deliver...

We have now discovered profound (structural) damage to the lodge building...it has been rendered completely unusable. If and when such is ultimately determined to be feasible, it will require extensive reconstruction to bring it back into service. Obviously, this will take some time to play out.

The cabins by all appearances have fared better. However, our electrical transmission/distribution system for the resort is in shambles. Beyond that, we are faced with the high probability of unavoidable flooding of the creekside cabins and lodge in/over the next few weeks.

IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT TPR WILL NOT OPERATE AT ALL THIS SUMMER. Any operations that might eventually occur would almost certainly be limited to cabin rental only in the late season.

As such, we will be canceling all current reservations through July over the next 48 hours or so. New reservations have also been frozen for the balance of the season for now. Beyond that, any post-July reservation holder is free to request cancellation/refund in consideration of this unforeseen turn of events.

TPR is loved by many. We know this information will hit some rather hard. We'll do our best to keep you posted...but please understand that uncertainty is likely to rule the day for the foreseeable future.

Your enthusiasm for the resort is deeply appreciated.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jun 7, 2017 - 04:15am PT
^^^Bummer about the TPR.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jun 7, 2017 - 06:14am PT
Photo that goes with Mighty Hiker's post.
Credit: crankster
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 7, 2017 - 12:46pm PT
Super bummed to hear the bad news about TPR....hope they can restore it and maintain the original character....Nothing beats a good meal at TPR after a day on the heights.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Jun 7, 2017 - 12:59pm PT
So sad about TPR. Best food i've ever had at altitude.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Jun 7, 2017 - 01:00pm PT
June 6 NPS Post: https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm

June 6, 2017 (updated about twice per week)
National Park Service road crews (plowing eastbound) and Caltrans road crews (plowing westbound) have met at Tioga Pass. Within the park, road crews are working on parking lots, side roads, and portions of the road that are only plowed one lane wide. Crews are also removing debris from the roadway, culverts, and ditches. Three avalanche zones are still active

Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Belmont, California
Jun 7, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
10b4me:

Does the TPR LLC need investments to fix the TPR main lodge and cafeteria?

Have some spare change for such a project. PM me if interested.
Roger Brown

climber
Oceano, California
Jun 7, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
10b4me:
I will be in the campground down the road again this season. I will be there when the pass opens and I am good for a couple of days a week of free labor if it will help getting the restaurant open sometime this summer. I'm pretty good with a hammer:-)
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 7, 2017 - 10:03pm PT

10b4me:

Does the TPR LLC need investments to fix the TPR main lodge and cafeteria?

Have some spare change for such a project. PM me if interested.

10b4me:
I will be in the campground down the road again this season. I will be there when the pass opens and I am good for a couple of days a week of free labor if it will help getting the restaurant open sometime this summer. I'm pretty good with a hammer:-)

Bruce, and Roger.
I do not work for TPR. I received this notice in an email.
I would contact Lynn Leichtfuss, who has worked there. She can probably put you in contact with the owner(s)
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Belmont, California
Jun 8, 2017 - 01:34am PT
Don't think Lynne L works for TPR anymore . . . at least not this season. But I'll check with her on it. She probably knows.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 8, 2017 - 07:18pm PT
So, so saddened to hear about Tioga Pass the Resort. It is true, the main lodge I worked in for the past years is today described by manager Dave Levy as "deformed".

It is difficult to grasp that the grand old building built in 1914 and 104 years old this year has lost its valiant battle with the Sierra winter snows.
looks easy from here

climber
Ben Lomond, CA
Jun 8, 2017 - 08:22pm PT
Sorry to steal your thunder kingtut, but I've been waiting for this announcement with bated breath:
This is the District 9 Seasonal Pass Status as of Thursday, June 8, 2017:
State Route 108 – Sonora Pass
Crews have reached the summit but continue to remove snow and repair the highway. Route reopening is scheduled for Friday, June 9th at noon, but is subject to current weather conditions.
State Route 120 West – Tioga Pass (from the Junction of US 395 to the Yosemite National Park Gate)
Caltrans crews have cleared snow on State Route 120 west to the top of the pass and met up with Yosemite National Park road crews who are clearing snow from Tioga Road inside the park. Work continues with removing snow from the shoulders, road repair and rock removal. Extensive damage occurred to guardrail from the heavy snow and requires repair before the highway can be safely opened to the traveling public. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.
State Route 203 - From the Mammoth Mountain Parking Lot to Minaret Vista
Snow removal will begin on June 12, 2017. There is no estimated date for reopening the highway at this time.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 8, 2017 - 09:35pm PT
Roger Brown and Bruce, I passed on your offers and info. Thanks for them, truly!

TPR was like a woman of many faces/lives. Sure, as Chris said, "she had the best food at altitude" and if that's what you came for that's what you got. But if you took the time, you could discover a world of wisdom, outrageous beauty, crazy adventure from the likes of Al Gardisky, the nicest wood rats you would ever engage with and a heart challenge that would take more than a life time to explore, embrace and appreciate. lynnie
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 9, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
Sorry to steal your thunder...

Dude, not a worry at all. I've just been passing along information provided generously by others to have it all in one place for Pass lovers. :D
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 11, 2017 - 05:50pm PT
https://sierranewsonline.com/massive-snow-damage-at-tioga-pass-resort-may-not-open-this-season/

Really breaks my heart. But life does that.
WBraun

climber
Jun 11, 2017 - 07:02pm PT
Rumor has it, Trump Inc is buying TPR, rebuilding it and making it into a resort golf course.

:-)
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 11, 2017 - 08:54pm PT
^^^ he is going to be the greeter at the Park entrance.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 11, 2017 - 09:19pm PT
You mean the " grabber "..
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 12, 2017 - 04:09am PT
Groper
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Jun 12, 2017 - 04:39pm PT
well.. 108 stayed closed for the snow
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jun 12, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
If EVER I thought you were wrong....it is with that last statement Werner! Hope you and Merry are well, I will be in the Valley round about July 22, you be there?
Peace
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2017 - 09:53am PT
Per Mono County Tourism there is 12-17 feet at Saddlebag Lakes today:
Chimneys at Saddlebag Lakes.
Chimneys at Saddlebag Lakes.
Credit: kingtut

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=mono%20county%20tourism%20-%20california%27s%20eastern%20sierra
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2017 - 04:51pm PT
Sonora Pass opened today. This image courtesy of Mono County Tourism shows conditions on the Pass moments after it opened:
Sonora Pass 6/13/17
Sonora Pass 6/13/17
Credit: kingtut

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 13, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
Stoopid Americans spend millions of dollars removing snow that could be skied on..
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jun 13, 2017 - 07:26pm PT
^^^ Too funny!!!
WBraun

climber
Jun 13, 2017 - 07:38pm PT
Quit copying and imitating my lines you poseur ...... :-)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 13, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
Sue me...!!!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 14, 2017 - 03:44am PT
Stoopid Americans, suing over intellectual property rights....
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 14, 2017 - 05:32am PT
Isn't there another o in stooopid?


(great thread tho)
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2017 - 06:01pm PT
From NPS:

June 15, 2017:

Road crews continue to work on getting the Tioga Road open. The Olmsted Point avalanche zone is still active. There is no estimated opening date. The Tioga Road is closed to vehicles, bicycles, and pedestrians from South Fork Bridge (6.5 miles east of Tuolumne Grove/NatureBridge in the Crane Flat area) to Tioga Pass.
jaredg

climber
california
Jun 15, 2017 - 07:08pm PT
The Tioga Road is closed to vehicles, bicycles, and pedestrians from South Fork Bridge (6.5 miles east of Tuolumne Grove/NatureBridge in the Crane Flat area) to Tioga Pass.

Does that mean one can drive up to the top of Tioga pass from the East side? DOT says 120 is closed 3.5 miles west of the junction with 395.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2017 - 08:40pm PT
Does that mean one can drive up to the top of Tioga pass from the East side? DOT says 120 is closed 3.5 miles west of the junction with 395.

Not to my knowledge. Maybe someone more knowledgeable will chime in...

Caltrans (Mono County District 9) plows up to the Park Gate...but they have not reached it to my knowledge or plowed the pullouts etc for cars to turn around (so not ready for traffic). As well significant avalanche hazard still exists.

Earlier in the thread there are vids of people riding their bikes up the pass to Ellery lake on the weekend when the crews are off. But during the week the pass road is closed to all traffic so far (checking daily for updates).
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 16, 2017 - 08:17am PT
Credit: 10b4me
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 17, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
From Caltrans District 9

Caltrans District 9 plans to open the east side of SR 120 west this Monday at 2pm. NOTE: Tioga Pass into Yosemite National Park remains closed and a projected opening date for that section of the road has not been set.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Jun 17, 2017 - 02:28pm PT
Olmsted Point avy potential continues. Some may remember that a park service worker was killed while plowing that part of the road 20 or so years ago. No way anyone in the park's management team would want a repeat of that tragedy.

I was surprised to encounter 4 to 5 foot snow pack remaining on my local section of the PCT yesterday and that was a mere 7,0000+/- feet el.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Jun 18, 2017 - 06:39am PT
Wow, Timid. Tahoe area? Oh, giggles, check the four zeroes after the seven! I BET the snow is deep at 70000! :)

BAd
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jun 18, 2017 - 06:55am PT
Thanks kingtut....not sure I can stick my feet into hot plastic boots after wearing flip flops, I may if it freezes up high for one last day of corn.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 18, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
Barry Hance was killed at Olmsted in 1995 battling to get the road open so that the east side politicians and businesses would be happy. Everyone who knew Barry will attest that he was one of the nicest and likable people you'll ever know in a lifetime. His mom was Ferdinand's sweetheart. No hurry for money over safety ever again.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 18, 2017 - 06:26pm PT
Thanks for the history, TMJesse. Appreciate.
c wilmot

climber
Jun 18, 2017 - 06:47pm PT
No hurry for money over safety ever again.

I agree with everything you posted other than this. The nps is still putting some employees at risk because they are in a hurry to fix things.
I recall my boss talking to us from the middle of a field because he did not want to come into the rockfall zone we were working in...
Just look at the guys sent to fix 140
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 18, 2017 - 08:01pm PT
Yes, thank you, TMJesse.

Hadn't heard about this and read the details just now here:

http://www.uniondemocrat.com/csp/mediapool/sites/UnionDemocrat/LocalNews/story.csp?cid=3709327&sid=753&fid=151
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Jun 18, 2017 - 08:06pm PT
I recall my boss talking to us from the middle of a field because he did not want to come into the rockfall zone we were working in...

That's why he was your boss. Smart!

Hehehe

Moose
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 18, 2017 - 08:26pm PT
Credit: Willoughby
"Trail closed" - ya think??
"Trail closed" - ya think??
Credit: Willoughby
Credit: Willoughby
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Jun 18, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
One man died clearing it in 1995, when an avalanche crashed down on his bulldozer.
Wasn't there another death while opening 120 at Olmstead Point in the 80's - an older dude who lived down at Cascade falls NPS housing? He got hit by debris from a dynamite blast as I remember.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2017 - 08:43am PT
^^^Super Stoked for Willoughby's post. What a great ride with no traffic of any kind on the road!

TFPU
riemannzetagambit

Trad climber
San Francisco
Jun 19, 2017 - 10:24am PT
No snow around Lembert-- I wasn't expecting that given the reports! (but I guess I've no experience with these snow levels. Thanks Willoughby!)

Echo all the statements about taking it safe around Olmsted. Getting real excited for the opening date.
cleo

Social climber
wherever you go, there you are
Jun 19, 2017 - 12:11pm PT
Eastern half to the pass opened!

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Tioga-Pass-open-lower-gate-Highway-120-snow-11230467.php
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 19, 2017 - 02:04pm PT
Credit: Willoughby

Yup. Much less snow that I would've expected. Dana Meadows up top only had maybe 1-3 feet, and it's burning off fast with the heat. The domes looked warm and dry and ready for business. And other than a little sandy bit here and there (esp. Little Blue Slide), the road was in fantastic shape.

PS - bombing down a closed 120 is about as fun as you'd imagine!!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 19, 2017 - 02:24pm PT
I am surprised the Meadows are that dry. How were the skeeters?
micronut

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
Jun 19, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
Nice effort Willoughby! Great photos. Glad to see it in "real life."
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 19, 2017 - 02:42pm PT
I saw this on the Alpinist website.



This week as part of the #alpinistcommunityproject, we're sharing work from Libby Sauter, who recently completed the Hulk-to-Half Dome Ski-to-Climb Traverse on May 31 to June 6 with Christy McIntire. They hiked, forded rivers and skied into the Hulk (ca. 11,000’), climbed the classic moderate line Yggdrasil (aka The Red Dihedral, 5.10b, 1,500’) then continued down and across the High Sierra through a flooded Tuolumne Meadows to Half Dome for over 60 miles of travel. They then simulclimbed Snake Dike (5.7 R, 2,000’) and descended to Yosemite Valley where Libby’s mom waited to drive them back to Bishop, California
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jun 19, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
That last shot from Willoughby looks like business as usual. Gives me hope for my upcoming backpacking trip with the kids in mid July.
Ed H

Trad climber
Santa Rosa, CA
Jun 21, 2017 - 01:06pm PT
What's the latest forecast from those in the know?

Road open by July 1, campsite open by mid July?
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 21, 2017 - 06:28pm PT
How were the skeeters?

1) I didn't notice any, but they're certainly bad in parts of Tahoe right now!
2) They can't catch me on that thing!!
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 21, 2017 - 06:29pm PT
campsite open by mid July?

TM cg opens August 1st.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 23, 2017 - 09:04pm PT
http://sierranewsonline.com/no-estimated-date-for-tioga-pass-to-open-for-the-season
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 23, 2017 - 11:53pm PT
warm temps in TM suggests that the snow will be melting...

my guess is that they open it next week, Fri Jun 30,
but I have no real info on that...
Bruce Morris

Trad climber
Belmont, California
Jun 24, 2017 - 01:33am PT
I'm driving up to Twain Harte this Monday, crossing Sonora Pass the next day, and then seeing if I can get back over Tioga Pass a few days later. I'm guessing 120 eastbound will be open earlier than Friday. Otherwise, I'll be cooling my heels in lovely Lee Vining!
John M

climber
Jun 24, 2017 - 10:03am PT
TPR just posted this video on their Facebook page. It says it was shot June 22nd. You can see some of the damage to the main building. Looks like the front porch is collapsing. Don't care for the music choice, but still cool to see.

There is still a whole lot of snow up there.



kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 24, 2017 - 10:34am PT
^^^^ Thanks for the Post!

Good to see the damage to the main building is not so serious. Needs repair of course before opening but not catastrophic I would think.

I can taste that blueberry pie a la mode from here! :)
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 24, 2017 - 07:15pm PT
Water.....Sums up spring 2017. Poole Power Plant Road.
Water.....Sums up spring 2017. Poole Power Plant Road.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Saddlebag Road was blocked by a giant bulldozer, so the walk/jog was p...
Saddlebag Road was blocked by a giant bulldozer, so the walk/jog was pristine.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Dana....splendid as always!
Dana....splendid as always!
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

The trail head across the road looked very doable, but I was running o...
The trail head across the road looked very doable, but I was running out of time.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Along Saddlebag Road....juvenile bear seen crossing from stream to hil...
Along Saddlebag Road....juvenile bear seen crossing from stream to hills.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 24, 2017 - 07:36pm PT
Tioga Lake....lots of snow in the campground.
Tioga Lake....lots of snow in the campground.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Gaylor Lakes Trail Head. It will be a bit til' it dries out for hiking...
Gaylor Lakes Trail Head. It will be a bit til' it dries out for hiking.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

View across the stream to Junction Campground. Hiking end of Poole Pow...
View across the stream to Junction Campground. Hiking end of Poole Power Plant Road ran into the head of the campgrounds. They said Junction and Ellery probably won't open until 7/15. Need snow removal.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Spent a bit of time that day with the Grand Olde Dame.....She's OK. We...
Spent a bit of time that day with the Grand Olde Dame.....She's OK. We all go thru tough times and recover.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Over the past 7+ years I can't even count how many times I've opened t...
Over the past 7+ years I can't even count how many times I've opened the front door early morning for guests and campers to grab a pretty good cup of coffee.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Cabin 1....first Cabin built.
Cabin 1....first Cabin built.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Bridge by Cabin 1 covered with H2O and stuff.
Bridge by Cabin 1 covered with H2O and stuff.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 24, 2017 - 07:40pm PT
Mouse, thanks so very for the camera. I would have missed all this!
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jun 24, 2017 - 10:19pm PT
Wow Lynnie, looks epic up there! Can't wait to get up there....but glad Mother Earth is getting replenished and rested a bit. Hope you are well. Kelly says hi
Peace
Inner City

Trad climber
Portland, OR
Jun 24, 2017 - 10:47pm PT
Great Pics Lynne thanks...Tuolumne Meadows is such a fantastic place...Tioga stoke...last time it opened this late, '95 maybe, we got in line for the Fourth of July and hiked over 4 to 6 feet of snow to camp at Lower Cathedral Lake on the lone dry rock.. no one else there, giant snow blocks pealing off the cliff between lower and upper lake were a cocktail hour hit and a half...

I check this thread daily with hope for the big news.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Jun 25, 2017 - 06:49am PT
Hi Lynne,

Thanks for the photos. What a difference one year makes! Hope TPR gets well soon.

We had reservations for a mid August stay at a couple of the high sierra camps, but the camps will not open this year at all, so we are reworking our plans.

Did you see many skiers up there? I expect the corn has not yet turned to sun cups.

Rick
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 25, 2017 - 07:24am PT
Thanks Guys, I'm great! Will post more pic's later. Ron, Kelly would love the creeks, streams and wild flowers. Best ever and just starting. Rick, ran into Bill Lundeen past Thursday and he said skiing is still good. He was up there early in the week. Will I see you guys this year?

Howdy, Inner City. What a great memory.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 25, 2017 - 08:19am PT
Thanks for the Post Lynne!

Keep us updated here on TPR status towards becoming whole again. :)
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jun 25, 2017 - 09:34am PT
Mouse, thanks so very for the camera. I would have missed all this!

You'd have seen it, but WE WOULD NOT. Great effort, and Thank YOU!

That porch looks awful sad. The Gardisky TH is one of my fave bivy spots, BTW.
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jun 25, 2017 - 09:40am PT
Yeah Lynnie, will call when I/we get up there! Glasses of wine, maybe haul the guitar(s) up, get crazy! Enjoy yer days.
Peace
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 25, 2017 - 04:05pm PT
Rest of the pics from 4 days ago. Crazy lot of snow still to melt.
Rest of the pics from 4 days ago. Crazy lot of snow still to melt.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Cabin 3 may get it's new flooring.
Cabin 3 may get it's new flooring.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Tioga Dam. There was some speculation about it overflowing and affecti...
Tioga Dam. There was some speculation about it overflowing and affecting TPR downstream as the sun shines and the snow melts.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Saw a few of these wonderful Marmots at Tioga Lake. Looking healthy.
Saw a few of these wonderful Marmots at Tioga Lake. Looking healthy.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

One more of Junction. If we get a fast melt this bridge as well as the...
One more of Junction. If we get a fast melt this bridge as well as the one right off 120 (the fishing bridge) may have H2O coming over.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

I have never noticed before, but the "fishing bridge" has only one very smallish (24"-36"?) culvert for all the water coming downstream to funnel thru. To much water and it will simply go over the bridge. Should be a very interesting couple of weeks coming up.

9000' looking good.
9000' looking good.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Headed back to Lee Vining. The huge meadow along Poole Power Plant Rd....
Headed back to Lee Vining. The huge meadow along Poole Power Plant Rd. pretty much under water. Be alert as you drive, all the wild life is out including small critters as well as deer and bear.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss



Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 25, 2017 - 04:44pm PT
I'm surprised the pass is not open. Some employees were shuttled thru to the Valley a few days ago to work so as not to have to drive forever to get there. But who knows......the snow melt, slides and other factors truly make this a fluid situation.

Hope to visit again in a week or so. It was a Blast to be back at The Mobile Thursday dancing to The Incendio and seeing all my Eastside friends.

And kingtut, TPR is in good hands and word is it will be better than ever. But most likely next opening will be summer of 2018. The owners and manager want to make sure the job is done well, not just a quick fix. Good for them. Just the word on the (flooded) :) street.

Cheers, Lynnie
WBraun

climber
Jun 25, 2017 - 04:49pm PT
If it was only locals and some employees Tioga wouldn't a problem.

But tourists, they're oblivious zombie drivers unless the road is in perfect condition .....
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 25, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
Yep, Werner, saw worse than Zombies. People on top of 20' drifts with flip flops headed up places no man (in flip flops) should go.
WBraun

climber
Jun 25, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
LOL ......
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jun 25, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
Yep, Werner, saw worse than Zombies. People on top of 20' drifts with flip flops headed up places no man (in flip flops) should go.
Stoopid Americans.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 25, 2017 - 08:07pm PT
LOL, actually think they were Euro's. They had just arrived from Death Valley.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 25, 2017 - 10:15pm PT
I heard "sanitation" was an issue with opening the road. Well, that could take weeks or months, depending on how it is defined. A phrase similar to "public safety." These are open ended issues/phases used to stall access or opening the road. NPS could hang their ranger hat on these issues/phases and keep Tioga closed while they do other, unknown work - while the public is locked out.

I say, let's get a FOIA going to find out what's really up. Campground closed until August 1? I smell a rat.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jun 25, 2017 - 11:00pm PT
If only we had someone on the inside, like a ranger or something.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 26, 2017 - 06:03am PT
I think the duck and maybe Alex Jones are behind this on the ground level...There's not that much snow up there so why the closure..?
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
The real McCoy from the inside of my van.
Jun 26, 2017 - 06:42am PT
I heard a plane went down...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 26, 2017 - 06:45am PT
Plane...? Which lake..?
skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or
Jun 26, 2017 - 08:57am PT
I heard that nps just gave halliburton all the mineral rights to Toulumbe meadows, they are crushing ALL of the granite into sand to use for oil drilling pads in Texas and North Dakota.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 26, 2017 - 09:07am PT
Campground closed until August 1? I smell a rat.

You'll smell more than a rat if they open it earlier.

The Tuolumne Meadows campground is the largest single campground in the park system. Prior to the enactment of various environmental laws, it had a large septic system that utilized the meadows just north of the road adjacent to the campground. If you've ever been up there you have seen the pump equipment.

This would be totally unacceptable in the modern era, but I believe there was some grandfather clause that allowed this system to be updated, upgraded, etc.

However, if you know how septic systems work (the waste percolates into the ground water through the soils) you also know that a flooded leach field is not acceptable (the sewage will just mix with the surface water).

The NPS cannot open the campgrounds until the meadows are dry because they cannot operate the septic system until that happens.

The pit toilets are another story... but it will take time for them to pump the ones that are below ground level. The abomination at Lembert Dome will probably be fine (or at least as bad as usual).

You never thought about where that sh#t went when you flushed in the campground privy?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 26, 2017 - 09:18am PT
Leave No Trace. Pack it in pack it out, WAG bags for everyone.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2017 - 09:22am PT
NPS could hang their ranger hat on these issues/phases and keep Tioga closed while they do other, unknown work - while the public is locked out.

A nefarious plot for world domination is afoot!

Either that or even last year they said the campground would not open till Aug 1st because they are repaving it...

FFS with the conspiracy nonsense...
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 26, 2017 - 09:28am PT
However, if you know how septic systems work (the waste percolates into the ground water through the soils) you also know that a flooded leach field is not acceptable (the sewage will just mix with the surface water).

The NPS cannot open the campgrounds until the meadows are dry because they cannot operate the septic system until that happens.

Pretty much dead on the mark, and I know this crap backwards and forwards (having studied failed San Diego Co. Park septic treatment systems). When ever you overwhelm water saturated soils with organic matter (S#it), the O2 gets used up rapidly and chemically the area goes anaerobic which is pretty friggen slow in processing organic material. Bottom line is that you need oxygen flushed soils to process this stuff, which means the water table needs to drop before the bathrooms are open for business. Tioga Pass held hostage by the bathrooms, lmao!

On the other hand, time to head into the backcountry to avoid the rush!!
skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or
Jun 26, 2017 - 10:56am PT
^^^this guy sciences.
surfstar

climber
Santa Barbara, CA
Jun 26, 2017 - 12:14pm PT
Pass opening does not require campground opening, though.
Bring in some porta-potties, open up the pass and let the meadows/campground dry out still...

Latest opening in recent history - 7/1/98 after a large El Nino winter.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 26, 2017 - 02:08pm PT
Prior to the enactment of various environmental laws, it had a large septic system that utilized the meadows just north of the road adjacent to the campground. If you've ever been up there you have seen the pump equipment.

You never thought about where that sh#t went when you flushed in the campground privy?

Apparently you’re unfamiliar with “Nixon and Agnew Lakes” downstream of Soda Springs where the TM wastewater treatment facility and ponds are (ca. 1968). I worked drafting, surveying and designing water and sewer systems in Tuolumne and the HSC’s for about 4 years back in the 80’s. Except for upper "B" loop, I am unfamiliar with any septic systems affiliated with the campground, or anywhere in the TM area (not counting the HSC's).

It may very well be that the treatment ponds (“Nixon and Agnew Lakes”) are overwhelmed and can’t support intake presently.

You can read up on it here:
https://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/management/upload/ssmp-tm.pdf

Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jun 26, 2017 - 04:14pm PT
Very dirty truth of the matter is even with everything in place in a normal to dry season I have (on my off time) picked up bags of dirty diapers, toilet paper and worse from TPR to Tenaya Lake. With compromised facilities it will be a horror.

Most outdoor people know to respect the wilderness, but they are a relatively small number of people traveling the 120 from Lee Vining to the Valley. Jess sayin'. lynnie
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jun 26, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
So true Lynnie!
Peace
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 26, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
thanks TM Jesse...
puts a piece in the puzzle!

Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jun 26, 2017 - 07:50pm PT
I never knew those two settling ponds were there.

and in the interests of pandering to a certain serial twitterer,
maybe a third lake is needed as his first namesake federal memorial.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jun 26, 2017 - 08:25pm PT
I drive a septic truck part time... My casual observation is there is a shortage of restrooms on the east side.... i've seen the pain on peoples faces when you have to tell them the restrooms are closed...peace out...
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 26, 2017 - 09:14pm PT
Don't blame Nixon! As much as my dad disagreed with Nixon, he credited him to the reasonably clean bathrooms in the TM bathrooms, following implementation of a $4 per night fee per site. Before Nixon, the stench was outright unbearable - like Ukraine or Mexico.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Jun 27, 2017 - 05:52am PT
LMAO, I've been by Nixon and Agnew lakes dozens of times and never made the connection to Pres and Vice Pres. Thanks TMJessie

In heavily used parks, the relationship between the public and the bathroom facilities gets pretty disgusting as soon as anything goes wrong. I used to work as a park aid in my late teens at San Clemente and Doheny State Beaches. Doheny could get nasty pretty quick. My free diving experience paid off in me being able to hold my breath while working.
Ryan K

Gym climber
the pit
Jun 27, 2017 - 04:03pm PT
Yosemite News Release
June 27, 2017 4:00 pm
For Immediate Release

Media Contacts:
Jamie Richards 209-372-0529
209-742-3520



Tioga Road in Yosemite National Park Open to All Vehicular Traffic Thursday, June 29, 2017

Tioga Road will open for Bicycle and Pedestrian Use on Wednesday, June 28, 2017


The Tioga Road in Yosemite National Park (Highway 120 through the park) will open for the season to all vehicular traffic beginning at 8:00 am on Thursday, June 29, 2017. There will be limited visitor services available from the Tioga Pass Entrance Station to Crane Flat. Tioga Road will open for bicycle and pedestrian users at 8:00 am Wednesday, June 28, 2017.

All visitors on the road are encouraged to use caution as there may be dirt, debris, and water flowing over sections of the road. Visitors are encouraged to keep an eye out for maintenance vehicles working on the roadway.

There will be minimal services available along the Tioga Road for several weeks. There will be no drinking water. Visitors should use the vault and portable toilets located along the roadway to help protect water quality in the Tuolumne River watershed. Food service and lodging are not available along the Tioga Road. There is no mobile phone service at this time and 911 emergency calls will not be operational. There are no gasoline services available along Tioga Road. Visitors can purchase gasoline in Lee Vining and at Crane Flat.

For maps and visitor information, visit the Tuolumne Meadows Wilderness Center, open from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm, the Big Oak Flat Information Station, the Yosemite Valley Visitor Center, and the Mono Basin Scenic Area Visitor Center in Lee Vining.

Tamarack Flat Campground is the only campground that is currently open along Tioga Road. This campground is first-come, first served and fills early in the day.

Anyone planning to hike or backpack near Tuolumne Meadows and in all high elevation areas of Yosemite should be prepared for winter hiking and camping conditions. Trails are still impacted by snow and ice. River crossings are high and swift moving. There are several high water areas currently impacting the Pacific Crest Trail (PCT) and the John Muir Trail (JMT) in Yosemite National Park. Trail conditions may vary at any time.

When driving in the park, motorists are urged to drive slowly as bears and other animals are active and may be present on the roadway.

For updated 24-hour road and weather conditions for Yosemite National Park, please call 209-372-0200 and press 1.


-NPS-
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2017 - 05:51pm PT
YAY!!!

Not gonna be up there this wknd, but hope others can post some pictures for stoke!

:D
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
Jun 27, 2017 - 06:54pm PT
Was planning to deal with the heat in the valley Thursday, but plans are now re-routed! YASSSSSSSSS!
riemannzetagambit

Trad climber
San Francisco
Jun 27, 2017 - 10:23pm PT
Looks like I won't be doing the Third Pillar of Dana after all (see other thread). Or maybe still...
skisofast

climber
Jun 28, 2017 - 09:03am PT
Tioga Pass opens on Thursday June 29th 2017!! At 8am....
Tioga Pass opens Thursday June 29th at 8am
Tioga Pass opens Thursday June 29th at 8am
Credit: skisofast
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Jun 28, 2017 - 09:50am PT
Yeah, friends can get to the eastside and we can get to the meadows for some knob climbing!
Old5Ten

Trad climber
Berkeley and Sunny Slopes, CA
Jun 28, 2017 - 03:10pm PT
Took the opportunity to bike Tioga pass to Olmsted oab this morning. Pretty amazing to only have a handful of cars on the road (NPS). Even the (road) ranger waved at us. Wonder how long that'll last?! Overall impressions: approaches => wet; base of climbs => snow, wet; climbing => wet; road => mostly dry and in good shape. It's going to be a late season...

Dana Fork of the Tuolumne a few miles West of Tioga Pass
Dana Fork of the Tuolumne a few miles West of Tioga Pass
Credit: Old5Ten

Tuolumne 'Meadows'
Tuolumne 'Meadows'
Credit: Old5Ten

I'm sure there is dry climbing to be had, but most of the stuff I saw ...
I'm sure there is dry climbing to be had, but most of the stuff I saw from the road looked like this...
Credit: Old5Ten

Looking East from Olmsted.  Tenaya Lk is pretty full, no beach...
Looking East from Olmsted. Tenaya Lk is pretty full, no beach...
Credit: Old5Ten




qigongclimber

climber
Jun 28, 2017 - 03:56pm PT
Nixon and Agnew lakes are nestled in the trees to the left of the rive...
Nixon and Agnew lakes are nestled in the trees to the left of the river. Fairview Dome is one of the few places from which you can actually see them. Very clever placement.
Credit: qigongclimber
By the way, Tioga road is highway "120" and not "the 120".

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 28, 2017 - 05:00pm PT


By the way, Tioga road is highway "120" and not "the 120".

👍👍
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Jun 28, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
Too Funny! Days after press reports (and friends visiting the gate) reported it might be a month with no projected opening date. Sounds like the east side businesses got on the horn to their congress as I've heard in the past
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 28, 2017 - 09:40pm PT
By the way, Tioga road is highway "120" and not "the 120".

Sorry to pop your balloon, California State Highway 120 does not exist in Yosemite National Park. Yosemite National Park is under exclusive jurisdiction and under very limited California oversight. The State highway system does not extend into Yosemite National Park. Tioga Road may be called such by California or others. But for Yosemite National Park, it is TIOGA ROAD only (not 120). Such numbering is technically meaningless in Yosemite National Park, since no state highways exist within the park.

For clarity Yosemite National Park might reference state highways, such as CA 120.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 28, 2017 - 09:52pm PT
the "new" road names have been an issue considering the references in the guide book, there is no 41, 140 or 120 in the Park, even though we've been calling them that for years, 41 is Wawona Rd, 140 El Portal Rd and 120 into the Valley is Big Oak Flat Rd (I believe).

welcome to the new world...
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jun 28, 2017 - 10:00pm PT
Yosemite is great again
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 28, 2017 - 10:09pm PT
Considering the present disparity between the State of California and the US republican administration, and all of the selling of names (Ahwahnee, Curry, Wawona, Etc), maybe the California highway numbering and naming is more stable for guidebooks and such!
surfstar

climber
Santa Barbara, CA
Jun 29, 2017 - 08:19am PT
I love posting on The Facebook when I'm going to drive up The 395 to hit The 120 and go climbing in The Meadows.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 1, 2017 - 02:03pm PT
I'll probably just call the park if no one knows but, if the Meadows campground and grill, etc., aren't opening to later in the summer, will the shuttles also be grounded? I have a permit to do a end to end packback there in mid July, which won't be possible without the shuttle.
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2017 - 02:10pm PT
not possible without the shuttle.

Just hitchhike.

What's a mater with you people?

Ya scared? Are ya a pussy?

With your luck, madbolter1 will pick you up and teach you a lesson.

Muhahahahah ......
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 1, 2017 - 02:22pm PT
Thanks Werner (I think) but I'll have my kids with me. Is that a 'no'?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 1, 2017 - 02:40pm PT

I love posting on The Facebook when I'm going to drive up The 395 to hit The 120 and go climbing in The Meadows.

Killing that SoCal vernacular!
You from simi valley, or Peoria Illinois?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 1, 2017 - 03:48pm PT
I'm currently from Carson Valley, Jaybro. :)


Hey, I'd like to paddle Tenaya Lake for the 4th. Anyone know if it's completely thawed? Will have young grandkiddos with me. Happy Fourth! Hugs Supertopo, lynnie.
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Jul 1, 2017 - 03:58pm PT
Hi Lynne, I went paddling there yesterday and it was spectacular.
Tenaya lake 100% thawed.
Tenaya lake 100% thawed.
Credit: rincon
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 1, 2017 - 05:26pm PT
rincon, this is why I love ST. Thanks SO much. Got the kayaks tricked out today with new bunge and conditioned them inside out. Looks like a go. I am so very happy! Making homemade apple pie. Anyone want to join us let me know.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 1, 2017 - 05:58pm PT
False White is IN!
False White from TPR parking lot
False White from TPR parking lot
Credit: HighTraverse
There were also fresh tracks in Ellery Bowl.

Didn't take a pic of 3d Pillar of Dana but if you go I'd recommend ice axes and crampons for the approach.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 1, 2017 - 06:04pm PT
I didn't get a pic of the Tuolumne store but it has also been damaged. Although apparently not too seriously.
I doubt it will open for a few weeks. Some PCT/JMT hikers are going to be disappointed and may go hungry for a few days!
I didn't notice if we had cell service there.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 1, 2017 - 11:28pm PT
More photos ! Or it almost didn't happen!
clustiere

Trad climber
berkeley ca
Jul 3, 2017 - 03:50pm PT
I'm to assume the domes around Tenaya are clear of snow as well eh?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 9, 2017 - 05:02am PT
5/18/83.
5/18/83.
Credit: mouse from merced
And the caption was:

Yosemite ranger surveys the snowpack along Tioga Pass Road in the park's high country. The record snowpack (at that time) delayed the reopening of the road at least until mid-June. Usually the road, which was closed each winter because of snowpack, is reopened by the Memorial Day weekend. UPI photo. May 18, 1983
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jul 9, 2017 - 07:48am PT
Anyone else hear the Meadow CG might open about the 17th of July?? I've heard that and might not open at all due to infrastructure issues.
Peace
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Jul 9, 2017 - 07:56am PT
I have no current info but seeing as Mouse has referenced 1983 I thought I'd bust out a photo I had not seen in over 30 years, from one of two trips to Tuolumne in 83. remember sitting out a snow storm for a couple of days playing flip the spoon in the Sierra cup.
photo credit; Bob McMichael.
photo credit; Bob McMichael.
Credit: Timid TopRope
WBraun

climber
Jul 9, 2017 - 08:07am PT
Anyone else hear the Meadow CG might open about the 17th of July

Could be, as the setup crew was in the parking lot 2 days ago spreading out the canvas tarps as I drove by .....
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 9, 2017 - 11:33am PT
Tuolumne River at the Bridge.
Tuolumne River at the Bridge.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Tuolumne River near the Bridge, Friday, July 7.
Tuolumne River near the Bridge, Friday, July 7.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Tuolumne........ah, TM.
Tuolumne........ah, TM.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Water has receded quite a bit.
Water has receded quite a bit.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Tuolumne is wonderful but wet and soggy. Mosquitoes abound. I will return in a couple weeks when things dry out a bit.

The most difficult thing for me in life at the moment is to be amidst such incredible beauty and not have the ability to describe it or express it in words! Language seems so trite, so canned. What's in the heart and soul is a wondrous, rare feeling. Eyes feast on the washed freshness of these peaks and meadows, rivers and streams. And moving among the creation that inhabits these high places is a true celebration of life.


And glorious Olmstead Point......
And glorious Olmstead Point......
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss






mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 9, 2017 - 11:54am PT
Nice gallery, gal! :0)
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 9, 2017 - 12:02pm PT
Same day, 7-7-17....Headed back down to Lee Vining. Tioga Campground was snowy and closed as was Saddlebag and Junction. Saddlebag Lake was nearly all frozen and it would be difficult to hike around it into the back country. Ellery Campground, as well as Aspen and Big Bend, were open. Careful coming into Big Bend in the dark. The road toward the middle of the campground was washed out.

Signs all over Tioga Road as well as 395 took a hit from the snow.
Signs all over Tioga Road as well as 395 took a hit from the snow.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Bridge into Junction.
Bridge into Junction.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

These critters were parked by entrance to Saddlebag Lake Road. They ar...
These critters were parked by entrance to Saddlebag Lake Road. They are amazing!
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Headed back home, passing Tufa Land.
Headed back home, passing Tufa Land.
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss









Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Jul 9, 2017 - 12:07pm PT
Thanks again to you, Mouse. Can't wait to see you!
Loose Rocks

Trad climber
Santa Rosa, CA
Jul 12, 2017 - 03:44pm PT
Is this open?

Found it. Went back a page.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2017 - 04:02pm PT
Thanks for posting Lynne! Great photos of one of our favorite places.
skitch

Gym climber
Bend Or
Jul 15, 2017 - 07:08am PT
How are the conditions in toulumne now? Knee high mud boots, DEET 100, snowshoes????
Lynne Leichtfuss

Trad climber
Will know soon
Aug 11, 2017 - 09:38pm PT
Tioga Pass Resort 8-08-17
Tioga Pass Resort 8-08-17
Credit: Lynne Leichtfuss

Yurtville. Population 0..... The wooden platforms are where our Yurts were placed.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 21, 2017 - 08:01am PT
Pass is closed this AM???

Tuolumne Meadows Cam:

meadows 9/21
meadows 9/21
Credit: kingtut


Proly melt off...snowball fight good times if ur in the campground, I bet! :D

Looking a little frosty on the RNWFHD:

From Sentinel Dome.
From Sentinel Dome.
Credit: kingtut

Hope Yogi Werner isn't busy.....
Pie

Trad climber
So-Cal
Oct 20, 2017 - 03:27pm PT
Hoping it opens up tomorrow...
Anyone in the know?
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