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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Apr 23, 2017 - 01:08am PT
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Here's a guy who wants to send the route. Can we do it?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Apr 23, 2017 - 09:11am PT
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Yep, Hans will get it done. Probably before the cables go up, so no permits needed and no crowds.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 23, 2017 - 09:14am PT
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Wow, it sure would be fun to ski (tele) the Cable Route, and Snake Dike with a good snow pack
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 23, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
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I've gone up the cables right before sunrise before, zero folks except our party. Good way to avoid crowds, but these days the pre-sunrise approach might be more popular too?
What about having a support crew rig up long fixed ropes apart from the cables area, and jumaring up that?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Apr 27, 2017 - 08:40am PT
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This may be a comment that brings lots of protest, but (after watching the video) I have to say no one is being 'discriminated' against by trails, or steep rocks, or cables, or climbing. Maybe it's just not realistic for certain people to go up there. I don't feel 'discriminated' against because I can't climb 5.11 and I certainly don't expect steps and handholds to be chipped to make it possible for me. I don't feel discriminated against because I'm old and weak and will never climb Denali without an escalator.
I appreciate the desire to get up there, but this is not a discrimination issue. It's a fact of life. We can't all do and go where we want to. As many have commented, there are others out there also, and your taking a wheeled device up the cables will impact those persons. Maybe this isn't a good goal.
It's a great goal to have some trails that allow wheeled devices to ascend, but not all should be accessible to everyone, lest we drive everything to a lowest common denominator.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Apr 27, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
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The OP is confusing discrimination with reasonable accommodation.
The NPS policy on access is spelled out in Directors Order #42
https://www.nps.gov/policy/dorders/DOrder42.html
This order defines reasonable as
Reasonable means not only capable of being accomplished, but also within the bounds of common sense and sound judgment when considering other factors such as costs, benefits, the nature of the environment, and NPS responsibilities toward protecting park resources and values.
Hauling a wheelchair up a mountain would never be considered reasonable. A lot of what handicapped athletes now do is not necessarily reasonable. The NPS is not required to give everyone equal access. Just reasonable access.
This does not mean that such ventures should be discouraged, but hanging the burden on NPS is ridiculous.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 27, 2017 - 02:51pm PT
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Thing is, for a healthy, good, hiker, it is a long, long day to do it in a day; then over night there are more logistics.
I would get together with other disabled people who dream of being atop Half Dome, and hire a helicopter; the NPS would, I hope, give permission. I find the hike to be such a long slog, I don't enjoy it that much. But it would be great if the NPS could perhaps designate a day or two each year, where Half Dome is specifically open to heli-trips for people with disabilities. More good for a larger number.
If you really feel that getting there is half the fun, well, I don't want to discourage you. But the hike itself is not all that great in many respects, it might get old for you pretty quickly
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Damn this looks high
Trad climber
Idyllwild, CA
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Noble goal but...man! A logistical nightmare. Definitely a must to camp before and afterward in Little Yosemite Valley primarily for those helping make it happen. Having taken my autistic son up the cables, I am all for trying to help almost anyone get up there. It is a worthy endeavor.
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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First of all there is no way the cables will even be in place on May 20. They are rarely in place before memorial day. As has already been stated the sierras have had a massive snow year and it's optimistic to think that the road over tioga pass will be open before middle to late june. Second you're going to need a hauling system to move that rig up half dome. A 1 wheel device will tip over and will need at least 1 person on each side to keep it up right. You really need something with 2 wheels that can be hauled without requiring people to keep something heavy upright on a polished slab. That chair might be fine to get someone to the base but it is unsuited to bringing a person up the final slab. Hauling a person up the cable route will take most of a day and will effectively shut down half dome for a day. In addition I would definitely check to see how strong those posts are. They aren't bolts and may not be suited to being used as a haul anchor. I'm all for everyone having access but this idea would put a lot of people at significant risk and the chair you are suggesting does't look like it fits the bill. You might be better suited to getting a permit to helicopter the person to the top. Sorry to be a buzzkill
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Spanky and others nailed it - no way this can happen on May 20. Snow.
Half Dome has already been ascended by a paraplegic.
Mark Wellman did it with Mike Corbett in 1991.
Mark rode a mule on the John Muir Trail and then up to the base of the sub dome. Then they went to the base of the NW Face and up Tis-sa-ack.
Sean O'Neill also rode a mule on his 2012 attempt of the NW Face with his brother Timmy O'Neill and team.
http://www.patagonia.com/blog/2012/10/pull-half-dome/
Given that the current project is not going to be self-propelled up the JMT, the person (unnamed?) might as well ride a mule, too. Mules are the natural way to do transport logistics.
And not on May 20! Wait until the snow is gone; maybe July.
For the sub-dome just carry the person on your back. Otherwise you are hauling a bunch of heavy steel up each step. For the cables you could do the same thing, maybe with a belay.
If you want to haul someone up near the cables, do it to the left of the cables, and you will want a frame with 2 wheels so it is stable (as others have mentioned). You can build anchors out there as a climbing route and you won't interfere with people going up and down the cables. You can't do with with "volunteer climber sherpas". You need a real climber in charge, with their close friends on the team, so they are all people who know what they are doing.
Overall, your plan is poor, but could be improved. It takes better planning than what you have tried in isolation.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Snow is melting fast and it will be a good thing if the cables are down. No permits, smaller crowds. But someone like Hans will be required as has been suggested numerous times.
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WBraun
climber
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Meh .... the OP Wogman made only one post period to his thread here.
The guy doesn't care .......
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, spanky... i was wondering how this situation was going...
good to hear your input here...
thanks for sharing...
i wondered if the o.p. had HAD a chance to
learn from all you guys...
but i just saw, there's not a post here, yet, as to that...
good to hear so many folks chipped in, to get strong info out there...
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JerryA
Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
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Have you been to the summit of North Dome ? The grand view of Half Dome & the Valley are well worth it , dramatically less crowded ,& a lot more mellow .Take a look at the Porcupine Creek trail to North Dome & the trails from North Dome to Yosemite Falls overlook & on Yosemite Creek back to Hwy.120 . Good luck !
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 20, 2019 - 07:34pm PT
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I came across this thread searching for something else.
He posted to facebook soon after this thread in May 2017:
Due to an unusual amount of snow this year the trip will have to be postponed. Stay tuned for more.
Unfortunately there was too much snow to take the Trailrider for a spin. None of the lottery entries were selected either for after the cables go up so we will have to wait until next year.
LOL. I imagine he hiked up there for the first time after posting here and realized how incredibly challenging this hike would be. No mention of trying it in 2018!
The video mentioned the first step on The All Accessible Project would be Half Dome!!! Really? That's like: I want to learn how to fly and my first step will be to the moon. How about Sentinel Dome? A 2.1 mile moderate hike with 450 feet elevation gain. Not a 16.5 mile trip with 4,800 feet elevation gain with the long cables covering 5th class slabs.
I think this is possible, but as everyone mentions there needed to be way more experience to develop a reasonable plan. IMO you would want a chair with at least two wheels, ascending to the side of the cables. You could anchor into the cables (I know there is at least spot on the way up where the cables are anchored), but not the stanchions. You could build an A frame which would position a pulley (Petzl pro traxion?) a few feet to the side of the cables. I would have two people hike up, anchor in, and serve as a counterweight to pull the chair/person up. Repeat that 4-10 times.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 20, 2019 - 09:38pm PT
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replica Dolt cart would be cool
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