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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Done!
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Done.
I'm curious how many Rock Climbing Section members of the Sierra Club know that the Sierra Club is one of the main players in getting Williamson closed. I know that there is a site visit with the NFS, CBD, FOWR, it's a closed site visit so I won't divulge the date but I find it interesting that the Sierra Club is not part of the meeting and especially the Climbing Section who I would think would want their members to know that they were instrumental in getting the area closed.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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The Sierra Club has not had a "Rock Climbing Section" for decades.
The Southern California Mountaineering Association has take up the mantle and is doing fine however.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Looking Sketchy,
Thanks I thought the group that meets at Crystal Springs in Griffith Park was part of the Sierra Club. Still, there has to be a ton of Sierra Club members who climb or climbed at Williamson who would be interested to know their group closed Willy.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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SCMA is RCS since 88 or 89.
There may be a sort of Ghost RCS. Old timers going out and stuff.
SCMA quit meeting at Griffith Park a couple of years ago. It was expensive and slide shows every other month kind of passe' since an hour or so on you tube searching your favorite area will blow your mind.
We have been co-meeting with Cal Tech Alpine club and AAC when they have stuff in Pasadena.
Still have multiple trips each month. Campsites in JT, Yose, Red Rocks and other cool trips. Meetings were no big deal and often poorly attended.
Unlikely people of SCMA worked to block Williamson. We were heavy users.
petition signed
Very possible someone in Sierra Club is working to continue blockage. A few who just like to stop things. You'd have to join and get in there to really find out. Or get someone who is deeply involved to name names.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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bump worthy
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Signed.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Signed
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Really poorly written with a nonsense assertion / rationale that will gain absolutely zero traction with the folks who are the target of the petition. Great as a complaint, lousy as a 'petition' - would strongly recommend revising.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2017 - 10:39pm PT
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I have a recommendation for you
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toejahm
Trad climber
Chatsworth, CA
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Fini!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Um? What Joeseph said!
Seems like another life
A blond and a red head
Went climbing straight from the set
Now Jeff was there and he might just remember?
The red head was well endowed
The blond not at all.
The red head gave out a phone number,
The blond came and went with me
It seems another life time
Re-Open a historic place!
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Really poorly written with a nonsense assertion / rationale that will gain absolutely zero traction with the folks who are the target of the petition. Great as a complaint, lousy as a 'petition' - would strongly recommend revising.
Yep. That petition isn't likely to accomplish anything. It isn't even addressed to the correct agency. Here is the most recent closure order from just a couple of weeks ago. It's unlikely anything is going to change until the EIS is completed.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd536828.pdf
Curt
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Signed. joe's right, it's a shitty petition, but i still want to climb there someday.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2017 - 08:23am PT
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The critics here are just that.
I have been working on reopening this place since it's closure and do know what agency has the power to open it because I have met with their supervisors.
The assertion that WR was closed due to threats/actions from CBD, Seirra Club, etc.. is also correct.
Whatever. Sign it or move on. You don't have to be a dick about it.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Done.... Pud, thank you for your efforts.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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It's not about being a dick. If anyone is serious about really trying to reopen the place then 'petitions' like this one are entirely counter-productive - all it will do is piss off some of the very folks you need to get a 'yes' from. It's Sales and Politics 101: don't piss off the very people you're selling or need a vote from.
Statements like these are just completely stupid in that regard:
The real reason for the closure was the Federal Government backing down from lawsuits threatened and brought by special interest groups.
The preceding 12 years has seen no action by any of the involved agencies other than to write report after report of environmental assessments.
Again, it's an instantly dismissible, whining complaint, not a petition laying out a clear and cogent rationale for why Williamson Rock should be re-opened. Lot of smart folks down that way, surely someone can do better than that.
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