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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Mar 29, 2017 - 08:03pm PT
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NutAgain!, am looking forward to your analysis of Tor and I2P. I hadn't heard of the latter until now.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Maybe some of the Republican voters have finally put 2 + 2 together ( Trumpcare ) and figured out the clowns they elected are going to screw them in a yuge way..?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Are these the same polls that predicted the election of HRC by 87%.....?????
We have him for almost 4 more years ..... maybe even more.
get usta it.
but rest assured if Crooked Hilley had been elected, US californians would be getting the double pump..... one from Jerry and the other end from her.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Guyman... Or trump could wind up like Dicky Trick impeached and exiled to Kiev...? Not looking too well for the cheeto mobster holed up in a Floridian white house...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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RJ..... All is going well.
Do really think like Maxine Watters?
Are you all hysterical about the Russian's??????
this is exactly as I wished it to be... lies and dysfunction from the Democrats and the Republicans .... If you recall correctly..... both parties hate Donald.
Maybe when the vast majority see exactly how these crooks work, both sides, they will wise up and push the extremists to the edges --fringe-- and some sensible folks will work together to maybe get some good done.
I only hope.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Guy...would you like that Roundup double latte with soy and honey..?
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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And it sounds like the Bureau of Livestock and Mining will be
OPEN FOR BIDNESS again. . .
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Crankster is right. We've descended (or, more accurately, the Republicans) into tribalism where people will abandon all rational thought and vote for something against their own best interest solely to punish the other tribe. It is evident to the everyone but the Republicans (and even some of them grudgingly admit it nonetheless) that Trump is an absolute trainwreck, yet we continue to hear glee from the right that all is well, solely because the left is so angry about it. Maybe we should give teenagers the right to vote. Much of the right displays the same level of maturity.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Nut..... buy products that are certified to not contain sh#t you don't like.....
DMT..... so what "polls" do you look at??? I would like to know. In the news and your statement it is always.... just "polls"
Fat.... change your statement to "Pepublicans and Democrats" and I would pretty much agree with you...... except the teenagers part -- why give more non-tax paying citizens the right to vote?
Face it.... these children in our Government- both sides- are only interested in their PARTYS own shallow bull sh#t.
Not what is best for all of us.
Fight on, boys.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nut..... buy products that are certified to not contain sh#t you don't like.....
Might as well, because the regulatory bodies that exist to enforce that the certification is real and accurate, just got gutted so as to be non-functional......
Better hire your own inspectors to check the cleanliness of meat, the integrity of airplanes, etc.
Of course, if they are found deficient, you can only walk away, because YOUR inspector has no enforcement mechanisms.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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This will inject Darwinism back into the illiteracy issue as well as
bring back Victory Gardens!
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Thnx again to Nutagain, for trying.
I don't know my bible readings but the on most suitable has to do with seeds landing on un fertile ground.
The way that so many are still blind to the fall of the republic and the mis appropriation of hard won freedoms , yet to be taken, but that allow another foreign power to take control of 1/2the planet , fits to a tee.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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How's the "Ain't Russia great?" crap working out for comrade Drumpf so far?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2017 - 03:33pm PT
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Channeling my inner MadBolter with the wall of text.
This article on hi-tech worker immigration gets the story pretty darn right. It might be one of the first areas of the Trump agenda where I agree his intention is going in the right direction (fingers crossed that they won't totally screw it up and throw out the baby with the bath water though):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/03/this-one-group-gets-70-percent-of-high-skilled-foreign-worker-visas/?utm_term=.66c81f034084
I have direct personal experience with this issue from multiple perspectives:
 as a spouse of an H1-B worker from India
as a person whose coworkers and most friends followed the template of bachelors degree in engineering in India, F-1 visa for computer science masters degree in USA, then H1B visa at a company where they were stuck until they got a green card. These folks are in a different eschelon than the ones brought straight from India for hourly consulting work.
as the owner of a small tech recruiting company in silicon valley in the late 90s and again a few years after the dotcom crash, competing against companies with H1B candidates willing to work for much less than my candidates
as a hiring person in a big companies interviewing these candidates
as a contractor getting called by these companies offering me jobs at pennies on the dollar for what I was getting on my own.
One thing that is very true that many people don't understand... there are tons of people looking for jobs but also tons of jobs that go unfilled because there just aren't enough qualified candidates. Many jobs need more than a warm body to fill a chair. About 13 years ago at Webex, my team had the HR department sit with us in interviews because they thought we were doing something wrong to reject everyone for 6 months. They believed us when they saw in person what we needed and that the candidates weren't good enough. It retrospect, it may have been in part because we got bottom-of-the-barrel candidates because of lower advertised salary range. It was the lowest I got paid at any point in my career relative to my skills and experience, but I took it because of melting down marriage and related circumstances. But in some fields, it's just plain hard to find qualified people. And if you cut off the H1B options, it can become impossible. So the H1B program is really truly needed.
On the other hand, the system is terribly exploited and used to depress the wages that American workers can receive, and it might cause some firms to decline a qualified American worker because they'd rather have a slightly less qualified person who can't quit. This dynamic alters the supply and demand equation and might make it seem like there are less qualified workers than there really are, creating a self-reinforcing theme of not enough qualified workers in America so need more foreign workers, but it's really just not enough workers willing to do that job at the market price given the present of H1B candidates. It really can be a type of hi-tech slavery. I was aware of a variety of folks stuck in the situation, and a variety of companies doing it to their workers, that would get H1B candidates over here and stack them up in shared housing, shared bedrooms, and not pay them unless they were out billing with a customer. The people can't legally change jobs unless they find another company willing to sponsor them, or they have to go back where they came from. But they are accustomed to more financial hardship in India so they tolerate it. The culture in India used to be (might be changing now with more exchange with USA) extremely hierarchical where employees are subservient to their bosses and put up with whatever crap they have to.
But our government is part of the problem in a few ways:
1. Not taking a leadership role in sufficiently promoting education as a vitally important value to make America great again. So we don't generate enough qualified applicants to fill our own jobs. We need to hire foreign workers to keep our nation from imploding. The job I got in silicon valley after college used skills that were not taught at the time I was going to college, so our education system lagged behind what the market needed.
2. The H1B visa process is onerous, and the system naturally favors big parasite middle-man companies that can afford to pre-pay thousands for applications and sit on them for many months.
3. Our government should have a process that individuals can figure out how to submit the required forms and get them turned around more quickly, without needing to hire a lawyer. That means bigger government staff to process the applications for fast turn-around while still enabling whatever security/validation checks they do.
4. Our government should champion reforms in the financial and banking industries to counteract the ruthless pursuit of profit as the only reason for companies to exist. Companies are focused on earnings per share, and this comes at the expense of investment in people like companies used to do. Companies used to hire smart people from college, train them in whatever was the latest stuff that was needed (which increased the value of the employee), and then both parties would benefit from the arrangement. Now people have to pay for their own training certifications to get a contract job where a middle-man company rapes half of the pay, and smart people graduating from college without specific skills that the company needs have a harder time getting hired.
Some aspects of this that no government can't fix... for every high-tech job, there is a huge market pay range that has little to do with actual skill or merit and more to do with negotiations, power, information, timing, ability to walk away from the transaction. It would be a disaster to have government try to regulate fixed payscales for every job classification. It would cause more unemployment as people with high skills found more creative ways to get paid better and refused to take the low payscale jobs. A company is always going to prefer to pay someone less for the same job if they can get it done, so there is no clean way to keep the H1B process for when you really can't find a person, versus when you just want a cheaper person.
There might be many people unemployed or underemployed or taking extended time off because they are not willing to work for the low level of pay they can earn at depressed market rates. Killing off the middle-man companies using H1B workers would go a long way to balance things, to still enable hiring companies to use the H1B system to supplement American workers, but they would be forced to hire more American workers for more money if it was less easy to get the H1B workes.
It is a delicate balance and I don't know where to draw the line, but stopping H1B visas for companies that only provide consulting services to other companies would go a long way.
Just please don't kill the H1B program! That would be like killing our national healthcare system because parasitic middle-man companies are exploiting it for great profit... oh wait.
Edit: ok, enough venting for the day, I need a self-imposed exile for the rest of the day to get stuff done.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nut, you have to ask yourself, what IS Trump's intention?
Not what he says, but what he actually wants.
I believe that his intention is to bolster the advantages that large employers have abusing these visas. Expect the program to be expanded, or at the least, left alone with all it's problems that you cite.
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c wilmot
climber
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Not qualified or jobs that Americans are no longer willing to do?
Personally I was hoping the h1b Visa program was massively expanded. That way the people who have been unaffected by illegals would start to understand why the lower class has been upset.
If you think competing against foreign workers being paid legal wages is unfair- just think of what competing against foreign workers being paid illegal wages is like
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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This 4 part Story from the LA Times is a great read
Our Dishonest President
Part I
Our Dishonest President
Part II
Why Trump Lies
Part III
Trump's Authoritarian Vision
Part IV
Wednesday
By The Times Editorial Board
April 2, 2017
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/
It was no secret during the campaign that Donald Trump was a narcissist and a demagogue who used fear and dishonesty to appeal to the worst in American voters. The Times called him unprepared and unsuited for the job he was seeking, and said his election would be a “catastrophe.”
Still, nothing prepared us for the magnitude of this train wreck. Like millions of other Americans, we clung to a slim hope that the new president would turn out to be all noise and bluster, or that the people around him in the White House would act as a check on his worst instincts, or that he would be sobered and transformed by the awesome responsibilities of office.
Instead, seventy-some days in — and with about 1,400 to go before his term is completed — it is increasingly clear that those hopes were misplaced.
In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all.
His attempt to de-insure millions of people who had finally received healthcare coverage and, along the way, enact a massive transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich has been put on hold for the moment. But he is proceeding with his efforts to defang the government’s regulatory agencies and bloat the Pentagon’s budget even as he supposedly retreats from the global stage.
read more at link
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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