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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Guy.. Gill wears a jock strap...? TMI...!!
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Norton
Social climber
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Show how he is a Racist.
the Federal government sued him TWICE for refusing to rent housing to blacks
I could go on and on but I gotta teach a guitar lesson now
by the way, name the "criminal" charge Hillary Clinton was charged with
name the civil charge she was charged with
now compare that to the Mount Everest of the lying, suing, cheating piece of sh#t you voted for
back later to keep proving you not only wrong but educationally ignorant
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dirtbag
climber
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We've provided links over and over again, guyman.
You don't care. You blow them off.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Prove ONE thing.
Actually the burden of proof is on you. Prove that he isn't
And one thing for Ken M .... you insult John Gill---- your not worthy to even carry his jock strap... so please try to have some manners around one of the true greats of our sport. punter.
Kind of bitter. We must have made you stop, and think.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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The latest polls show Trump's voter approval in the 35% to 41% zone, but still most of his original supporters like what he's doing to America & the world.
Those that voted for Trump, like that he's now joined the two other nations (Syria & Nicaragua) that did not sign the Paris Global warming accords, they like that he has rolled back environmental protection in the U.S., they love that he has almost destroyed Obamacare, with a new program that will deny healthcare to millions & raise insurance costs for older Americans by huge amounts.
Trump supporters like that he's bitch-slapped every liberal American & smart-assed foreigner that looked down on him & his base of right-wing American working-class folks. And they really like that Trump is putting it to the Mexicans & the Muslims, & they can't wait for him to put it to the Africans & the Asians.
Unfortunately, most Trump supporters ignore that much of what he has done & is doing, makes him & his family & a few more of the most affluent in this country, much, much richer, while raising national debt & making many more people suffer higher prices, lower incomes, & deteriorating environmental conditions.
Sigh.
I'm very sorry for what America has & might yet become, under Trump & Fox news.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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And one thing for Ken M .... you insult John Gill---- your not worthy to even carry his jock strap... so please try to have some manners around one of the true greats of our sport. punter.
I didn't insult John Gill. George Will, the Uber-conservative did.
Gill's accomplishments on rock are undeniable (although you have to wonder, when he worships a man who congenitally lies about EVERYTHING, the association starts to make one think about what Gill has claimed?)
All of that seems moot, however, when Gill celebrates and rejoices in a man whose moral virtues are that of a feral pig. If this is what he thinks is right, then let him be on the receiving end of what he celebrates.
However, no matter how great his accomplishments on rock, it doesn't mean that he knows anything about anything off of rock.
I'm reminded of William Shockley, the Nobel Laureate who invented the transistor, who destroyed himself when he started opining about race and intelligence.
Brilliance in one arena does not confer mastery over all.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 1, 2017 - 11:43pm PT
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Guy, do you think a mysogynist pig would be able to effectively lead our country if he were competent in other respects? I don't think so, because a leader can't alienate half of the population and disempower half of the kids growing up.
Do you think a president can effectively execute when he creates a toxic workplace culture, fosters a lack of respect and trust for professionals doing their job, and his widely reviled personality stop him from attracing the most qualified candidates for many jobs? As a CEO in a publicly traded company with a board elected by shareholders, he would be fired. The standard for achievement should be higher for the office of President of the United States of America.
Guy, do you think that in the coming decades, the USA will be well served by an isolationist policy coupled with anti-investment in science and education? Do you think we will generate more jobs, increase our global competitiveness, export more stuff? Or do you think we will become the new 3rd world creating less value, generating a smaller tax base to support an ever shrinking government while having less consumer spending and less corporate income leading to less corporate investment and fewer jobs, in an ever tightening downward spiral?
Do you think companies will choose to make jobs in USA when there are many countries with a better trained workforce and lower wages? Do you think there is loyalty and patriotism among corporations?
Or do you have a vision of lots of factories producing "stuff" based on resources extracted from our continent and somehow reliving the 1950s when the USA was fresh off of kicking global ass, nuking enemies, and clandestinely toppling democracies to ensure global American corporate hegemony?
I'm trying to formulate a vision of your values and it's not computing for me. Being angry at a person who lost the election, as a means of distracting from the person who is in office and making policy decisions right now that will hurt us all.... how does that event work? I get that the emotional frustration or anger or fear or something must be quite strong to overrule reason... but what was the feared or hated scenario that was so bad that Trump and what he is doing now seems like a better alternative?
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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i ain't guy, but i'll take a crack at a bunch of these...
do you think a mysogynist pig would be able to effectively lead our country if he were competent in other respects?
ummm... you are familiar with u.s. [and global, for that matter] history, no? just because we didn't have access hollywood in the 1800s, doesn't mean there isn't evidence that "mysogynist pig" and "president" are not infrequent bedfellows... and just because someone isn't as verbally crass as drumpf doesn't mean that they are any less despicable, regardless of how much the left loves them [hint, hint...]
Do you think a president can effectively execute when he creates a toxic workplace culture, fosters a lack of respect and trust for professionals doing their job, and his widely reviled personality stop him from attracing the most qualified candidates for many jobs?
toxic workplaces are a dime a dozen. and the presidency, i suspect, is, in historical terms, no different. what i will say is seemingly unique to drumpf, relative to other more recent presidents, is a disinterest in getting the most qualified for the job. he seems to approach the presidency in a way more akin to organized crime's interest in "loyalty" rather than "competence". but playing devil's advocate, there is a reason that organized crime survives in the day and age of our modernistic bureaucratic governmental organizations.
do you think that in the coming decades, the USA will be well served by an isolationist policy coupled with anti-investment in science and education? Do you think we will generate more jobs, increase our global competitiveness, export more stuff?
i'm going to ignore the rest of this paragraph's loaded questions and focus on this one. 'cause this is where you [and the dem party] really go off the rails, imo. do you really not still get it? have you not looked at charts that track productivity gains and worker salary levels over the last sixty years? or c.e.o. vs employee average salaries over the last sixty years. 'cause that's the problem with all of your [/dem] loaded questions: the alternative that has been offered and persued over the last seventyish years [globalized capitalism in concert with militant coercion] has resulted, for at least the last thirtyish years, in decreasing or plateauing gains for everybody except the upper crust, despite continued, across the board, increases in productivity. did trump offer any actual solutions? of course not. [sorry actual trump fanboys: no walls were ever going to be realistically built and china was never going to be slapped with 30% terrrifs] but he did do one thing that h. clinton and the gang didn't: he tapped in emotionally to some of the underlying problems.
ie. sure pure isolationism as trump generally seems to be selling is short sighted and reactionary. otoh, the status quo as was offered by h. clinton and is continuing to be offered by the dem party is tone deaf and quote possibly at this point brain dead.
Do you think companies will choose to make jobs in USA when there are many countries with a better trained workforce and lower wages?
as long as there are no terrifs in place to protect against slave like conditions in other countries... of course not. your point?
Or do you have a vision of lots of factories producing "stuff" based on resources extracted from our continent and somehow reliving the 1950s when the USA was fresh off of kicking global ass, nuking enemies, and clandestinely toppling democracies to ensure global American corporate hegemony?
of course that is naive. otoh, what isn't naive is to question/be frustrated with a domestic/globalized order/distribution system that ensnares other countries with conceptual, but militaristically backed "debt", that internally distributes with mind boggling "unfairness", that enforces conceptual/operational systems the world over with overt and covert threats of/actual violence, and that in general is a model of transparent lying/manipulation/bribery at the federal elected level, for anyone with open eyes...
but what was the feared or hated scenario that was so bad that Trump and what he is doing now seems like a better alternative?
while i can't speak directly for them, my best guess is that for many of the people that elected trump, the answer would be variations of: the status quo.
anyway, sorry for some of the tone nut... i know you mean well.
but man your occasional, what i suspect is unintended, condescension gets me momentarily riled...
peace.
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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I could go on and on but I'm really just full of BS
Fixed it for you nortl00n. The daily hysteria continues for you fools.
L0ckur always throwing the word 'fact' at the end of his 6th grade style rants. What a joke.
The esteemed "Dr" Ken with his usual BS-based lack of reasoning.
You old, melted snowflakes will continue to swirl the drain for the next 7.5 years.
Pure stupidity of your own expense.....free entertainment for the rest of us L0L
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Hillery and Bill are the biggest crooks ever..
That's an opinion, not a fact.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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drF... Free entertainment is Pucker Lips on a tight leash , eagerly awaiting Putin's next golden shower...
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2017 - 08:21am PT
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nah000 I appreciate your response and will chew on it a while. Yesterday was definitely a challenging one for me and probably reflected more whining than the reflection I normally strive for.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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All of that seems moot, however, when Gill celebrates and rejoices in a man whose moral virtues are that of a feral pig. If this is what he thinks is right, then let him be on the receiving end of what he celebrates
I don't know where you came up with that. I cringe when I think of Trump. And I cringe when I think of HRC. Two of the worst candidates ever. When I poked at you about my "comrades" in the KKK and Aryan Nation you took me seriously. You need to calm down and cultivate a sense of humor, maybe take your yacht out for a spin. Are you on medication?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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jgill.... I think Ken M was trolling you...?
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Norton
Social climber
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ok, so let's talk about Hillary Clinton
a couple of thoughts
historically speaking, she was the most" qualified" Presidential candidate in US history
having served as US Senator from New York and also as US Secretary of State
so what are those horrible negatives?
she set up a private email server with professional filtering and security help
when she was at her home she used that server for Sec of State business emails
out of tens of thousands, four emails had a little "c" imbedded indicating classified
so benign were they that 3 of the 4 have now been declassified
big deal, no one harmed, she took responsibility and stated she should have used the government email server
now, compare those most previous sins to the mount everest of lying, law suit settlements,
moral and ethical business dealings of Donald Trump's
and tell us how you conclude she was the "lesser of two evils"?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Another 6th grade comment...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Norton is just another angry libtard...Goon Boi....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I don't know where you came up with that. I cringe when I think of Trump. And I cringe when I think of HRC. Two of the worst candidates ever. When I poked at you about my "comrades" in the KKK and Aryan Nation you took me seriously. You need to calm down and cultivate a sense of humor, maybe take your yacht out for a spin. Are you on medication?
They ARE your comrades in this adventure. You chose Trump, now you own him. You've treated it as no big deal, and for you, it probably isn't.
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rincon
climber
Coarsegold
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Her negative is mainly her personality. She isn't a good candidate, sorry. She cannot relate well to her base.
I don't think that's true. Her 'base' related to her quite well actually. The Intellegent, educated, and smart people all voted for her. The problem is there's not enough just smart people to get her elected. She also needed all the people who got disenfranchised by gerrymandering, voter suppression, and all the one's who were just too lazy to vote. It's a sad fact that the gop is better at getting out the vote. That, all the lies about Benghazi and James Comey sealed Trump's victory.
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