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zBrown

Ice climber
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:25pm PT
Herr Braun is right. Choose any of his posts.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
Jody, I'm curious. If the Congress passed a law requiring the turning in of all semi-automatic high capacity rapid fire rifles, like an AR-15, and you owned one, would you comply (after all the legal challenges had failed)?
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:34pm PT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:37pm PT
Norton, don't be so ignorant. The First Amendment wasn't written in the time of the internet, radio, and TV either. The Second Amendment precisely protects the kinds of weapons a foot soldier would carry. Then it was muskets, today it is semi-automatic rifles(fully auto having been banned years ago).

This statement says to me that you accept the "full auto" ban. Why would not a ban on ar-15-style weapons not also be legal?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:39pm PT
So did Russia, Germany, China and Cambodia.

How'd that work out?

I'm hard pressed to be able to point out regular mass shootings in schools in those countries. Am I wrong?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:41pm PT
Not sure about events at schools, but there were plenty of mass shootings.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
he's starting to come unglued, he can't take the pressure:

Trump takes on the FBI, Russia probe and 2016 election in a nine-hour tweetstorm

President Trump questioned the intensifying special counsel's investigation of his campaign and administration while attacking his own national security adviser, the FBI, Hillary Clinton and others in a remarkable nine-hour span of tweets that included profanity and misspellings.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
ot sure about events at schools, but there were plenty of mass shootings.


Perpetrated by the governments of those countries.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:46pm PT
Trump's squirming as they tighten the screws on him...LMAO...
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:46pm PT
KenM, that statement does not mean I accept a full-auto ban...it means it was done years ago before I was even alive and there is nothing I can do about it now.

On the other hand, I have no desire to possess one.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 18, 2018 - 03:53pm PT
Gun policies of other countries, and how they have responded to mass casualties:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/mass-shootings/?utm_term=.7c48e57ee6f4

BTW nice definition for AR-15 type weapons:

" high-powered self-loading rifles and burst-firing weapons."
Lennox

climber
in the land of the blind
Feb 18, 2018 - 04:01pm PT
The Second Amendment precisely protects the kinds of weapons a foot soldier would carry.

If this were true then we should be able to keep and bear grenades too.

And I guess if we were ever able to shake off these unfair and burdensome restrictions to our 2nd amendment right to grenades, it would makes sense that we arm our school teachers and janitors with grenades and grenade launchers.

#jodylogic
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Feb 18, 2018 - 04:02pm PT
You shouldn't [reason] with these wackjobs here.

They are soo brainwashed and internet losers.

They are idiots .....
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Feb 18, 2018 - 06:47pm PT
It's good to see some momentum for greater gun control. Because effective gun control is going to require massive support, way way more than 50%. This is not going to get decided by judges, sorry. The 2nd amendment runs deep in the American psyche. It is not going to get overturned by a simple majority of Supreme Court judges. The notion does not withstand scrutiny.

Just in the past what, 4 years, the Supreme Court affirmed the 2nd amendment guarantees individual rights to keep and bear arms so the militia discussion is utterly moot.

Shouting at gun owners is not going to build the consensus required for change. Gun owners themselves have to be convinced to surrender some of their rights. We have to do this together. The point made that there are something like 300 million firearms already in circulation is valid. Also the point that legally defining assault weapons is exceedingly difficult. It has been tried before, and it failed. It's sort of like the flu virus, it just mutates when you think you have the vaccine to wipe it out. Assault-style weapons are the same. "Common sense" won't cut it.

We the people have to alter the 2nd amendment if we want to have fundamental gun control. There is no other viable path. The method for changing the constitution is well-established. It will take a super majority of Americans to pull it off.

Are we ready? I can tell you this, emotionally piling on Jody may be satisfying in the short term, but you alienate other gun owners when you do so. But hey, don't listen to me, I don't know sh#t. I'm just another American.

DMT
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Feb 18, 2018 - 07:07pm PT
I agree, no need to dogpile on Jody.



F

climber
away from the ground
Feb 18, 2018 - 09:40pm PT



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Feb 18, 2018 - 11:42am PT
Right you are. A pity that the operation I had three months ago so I could get out more was all phukked up, but thanks for asking.

How do they fuc k up a head from ass removal procedure?
TLP

climber
Feb 18, 2018 - 10:42pm PT
Dingus, you are right that the Supreme Court decided (wrongly) that one half of the 2nd amendment takes priority over the other. However, interestingly, even Mr. originalist Scalia allowed that it really would be correct to construe it only to cover the weapons in existence at the time - single shot muzzle loaders. I'd be fine with that.

But it will take a long time to restaff that Court to make a wiser decision consistent with the original verbiage. And to amend the 2nd amendment in a meaningful way - not in our lifetimes and probably not before the U.S. goes to pieces itself, which it is rapidly on the way to doing. The politics and number of states it would take is just infeasible.

No, the remedy will come from a time-honored American method: criminal and civil liability. It wouldn't be hard to repeal the unconstitutional law protecting the firearms industry (which violates the 1st amendment protecting the right of the people to petition for redress of grievances - namely damages); or to run it up the courts and have it thrown out. States could pass laws holding owners or sellers of firearms criminally liable in case the ones they sold/transferred/gave without taking every precaution and following every required procedure were used in crimes - with penalties matching those of the crime itself. And states could increase the penalties for failing to do background checks or a host of other similar things. People and merchants would start to get a lot more careful. Insurance companies would start to get a lot more hesitant, and people might start to think, do I really need this thing? Nah.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 19, 2018 - 05:37am PT
Some of you who don't smoke dope may be able to remember back to the '90s, when the homicide rate was twice what it is today.

Homicide of all kinds - firearms included - is on a downward trend, and has been for over 25 years. Is NOW the time to f*#k with the Constitution?

And all this time the homicide rate is dropping, people are buying more guns than ever.
xCon

Social climber
909
Feb 19, 2018 - 06:30am PT
representation must be democratized
its high time we 'f*#ked' with the constitution

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 19, 2018 - 07:40am PT
Trump received 30 million from the NRA for his presidential campaign...Get money out of politics...
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