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Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 9, 2017 - 04:52pm PT
A friend emailed this youtube link to me today. A pleasant little Trump-mocking ditty for your pleasure.

Randy Rainbow, Desperate cheeto

moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Nov 9, 2017 - 06:12pm PT
Nice going, Republicans!

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/pullout-from-pacific-rim-trade-pact-leaves-us-on-sidelines/

Moose
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 9, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
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moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Nov 9, 2017 - 07:39pm PT
Credit: Internet
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Nov 9, 2017 - 08:23pm PT
Thanks, Absurdist.

Here's some random policy players using their education for a fig leaf while being played by the competition:



Part 2 !

10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Nov 9, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
El Salvador is far more dangerous than America

Have you been to El Salvador?
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Nov 9, 2017 - 08:41pm PT
Hmm, Jim, I'm not sure you understood that chart.

Moose
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Nov 9, 2017 - 08:53pm PT
Moose,

Your "chart" is simplistic, unintelligent and exactly what cradle to grave policy thinking considers to be appropriate.

Up your game, man.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 9, 2017 - 09:00pm PT
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GLillegard

climber
Nov 9, 2017 - 09:02pm PT
In 2016, out of a population of 320,000,000 + individuals, approximately 17,250 were murdered in the United States. As an average, that is 47 people a day.

In the days between the Las Vegas Harvest Festival and the Sutherland Church shootings that claimed 84 lives, if the rate stays the same in 2017, an average of 1400 people were murdered.

Although "assault rifles" commonly used in mass shootings get all the media attention, rifles play a smaller role as a weapon used for murder. As a generalization, rifles are used about as often as hands, feet or fist.

In California, knives killed 280 people, 7 times more than rifles.

In Texas, knives killed 175 and rifles 51.

If we are to ever have an honest discussion of Gun Control, we had better get past the hyperbole and recognize the overwhelming weapon used in Murder, the easily concealed handgun.

In California, in 2016, 930 people were killed with a hand gun and 37 with a rifle.


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/murder/tables/table-12
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 9, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
I am asking nutagain- if violence is a contagion- then why do we allow the alleged vectors of said contagion to settle here?

I think that's a reasonable question and concern. My response might seem like a deflection but it will circle back to the main point.

One of the things I think our society should value and fund more: emotional education. I think overall this is getting better. When you start digging around, there are lots of programs (either government-sponsored or from NGOs) such as court-ordered Anger Management courses, Alcoholics Anonymous and related 12-step programs, Al-Anon, support for victims of violent crime and domestic violence programs. For example:
https://victims.ca.gov/resources.aspx
https://www.mocadsv.org/multi-language-materials/
http://www.ncdsv.org/ncd_linksimmigration.html

However, most of these programs are reactive, prescribed in response to some sort of personal or family crisis. We have no national strategy to be proactive about this thing that dramatically affects all of our daily lives. I think we should have more explicit emotional education as part of our public schools, at least sufficient to underpin healthy behavior for peaceful coexistence in a world populated by folks of very different values and beliefs. If we focus just on the behaviors without the emotional underpinning, it can lead to a sort of fakeness, a social veneer of "political correctness" and compliance for the sake of social norms without substance or empathy to address what people are really feeling. This is like an abscess over an emotional wound. We need a societal way to pick up the slack of what many people don't get in their families- how to develop a sense of self-love and identity, to contribute to a community and feel belonging and acceptance in a group, etc., and role-models and active teaching for compassion and empathy. If we neglect this part of our citizens' development, we create a ripe media for the infestation of violence.

So the issue is not just in keeping out the stored negative energy of violence that immigrants have experienced... the violence within our borders exacerbates the predicaments of refugees: language barriers, lack of money/home/support networks, ongoing stresses of families separated, perhaps a lack of relevant skills for earning a living in this environment, or at least language and soft-skill cultural barriers to gaining employment leveraging their areas of expertise.

The emotional education resources that we all need can be extended to accommodate the stress of the refugee predicament in general, and coping with violent experiences in particular.

I found this example of a program that helps with the logistical things for refugees, to reduce ongoing sources of stress for food/shelter/clothing, community resources, gaining employable skills, etc. They operate around the world and have many local centers in USA:
https://www.rescue.org/united-states/los-angeles-ca#how-does-the-irc-help-refugees-and-immigrants-in-los-angeles

I'm not familiar with the organization, but I couldn't see anything specifically about coping with violence or emotional issues in general. Maybe in the hierarchy of needs, food/shelter/clothing and the ability to earn money to get these things are easier to understand and more obviously pressing needs. But this seems to create a vacuum of unmet needs for the emotional stuff and it is a risk factor sowing the seeds for future violence in our country.

Dialing in more specifically to the original question:

We need to target the contagion, not the people carrying it.

Perhaps because we have so little societal understanding of the disease of violence, what causes it and how it spreads and how to manage it, that we fear it and confuse the contagion with the vector. It's one thing to say we are killing mosquitoes to stop Malaria or Dengue Fever. It's another to say we are killing humans or quarantining/incarcerating them in camps to block the inflow of violence to our country.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Nov 9, 2017 - 10:12pm PT
I think we should have more explicit emotional education as part of our public schools, at least sufficient to underpin healthy behavior for peaceful coexistence in a world populated by folks of very different values and beliefs. If we focus just on the behaviors without the emotional underpinning, it can lead to a sort of fakeness, a social veneer of "political correctness" and compliance for the sake of social norms without substance or empathy to address what people are really feeling. This is like an abscess over an emotional wound. We need a societal way to pick up the slack of what many people don't get in their families- how to develop a sense of self-love and identity, to contribute to a community and feel belonging and acceptance in a group, etc., and role-models and active teaching for compassion and empathy. If we neglect this part of our citizens' development, we create a ripe media for the infestation of violence.

Couldn't agree more.
I've been in education most of my life and have worked directly with youngsters for going on 31 years. I've been around a lot of this world and work with a diverse population (currently we have 54 nationalities in our school) in many of those countries.

The only thing I'll add is that I believe that virtually no religions of the world actually teach this and IMHO should and can be a big part in this effort. It may be the one thing those institutions can do to significantly make a difference in making this world a better place.

Thanks Nut for well thought out posts.

Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Nov 10, 2017 - 08:22am PT
DMT: Yes the 2nd amendment or its legal interpretation must change to effect change- but society talking about it and forming a target vision for change must come first.

Target vision haha. However, you wrote

I interpret the 2nd Amendment

And target vision of our brave new world or no, the fact remains your and my interpretation of the 2nd amendment is irrelevant. You concede it has to be changed, ergo your interpretation does not support the reality of the situation.

Cheers
DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 10, 2017 - 11:33am PT
Hey! just what we need, a stealth bomber to bomb goatherds:
It is here that Northrop is building the Air Force’s new B-21 bomber, a stealthy bat-winged jet that is being designed to slip behind any adversary’s air defense system and deliver devastating airstrikes for decades to come. The Pentagon is aiming to buy 100 of the bombers by the mid-2030s for at least $80 billion, though the exact amount is classified.

$80 billion my ass. $800 billion more likely. Should work well with the 1.5 trillion they want to give to billionaires.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Nov 10, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
Moose's chart appears to be an accurate reflection of how mass murderers are categorized by the media, what exactly is the problem with it?
drF

Trad climber
usa
Nov 10, 2017 - 07:14pm PT
Moose's chart appears to be an accurate reflection of how mass Nortloons are categorized by the media, what exactly is the problem with it?

Care to respond......L00ns????
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 11, 2017 - 12:21am PT
Returning to the forum topic, I am astonished by the traction taking place on the issue of sexual assault. I am also amazed at how quickly it is transitioning over to the political realm.

The issues involving Trump seemed to not be relevant, but the allegations now are already crashing careers (as they should).

This Roy Moore issue turns out to be huge. The Alabama conservatives are taking the line of defense that Moore did nothing. But if he did, he did nothing different than Jesus. REALLY? That's the defense? Are these learned conservatives wearing overalls and holding pitchforks while they're saying that? The loss of that seat gives the GOP a 1-vote majority.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Nov 11, 2017 - 12:49am PT
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StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 11, 2017 - 06:21am PT
Moore supporters pulling the Jesus card was definitely a new low. Those kind of zealots are really scary.

If it was a liberal, they would be screaming bloody murder.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Nov 11, 2017 - 06:34am PT
The loss of that seat gives the GOP a 1-vote majority.

IMO, the people, in Alabama will not vote for a democrat. The people in Alabama share the same feelings as Moore.
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